Does anything exist before the first letter of Genesis: BETH?
What most Jews, Christians and Moslems do understand about the Judeao Christian Scriptures is that it is a very mystical document, which cannot under any circumstances be studied from a literal point of view. The bible is a mathematical and linguistic masterpiece: i.e. an esoteric document.
It is important to understand that the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet are numbers 1-22 and there are five final letters. These 27-integers break down into three rows of nine columns, which reduced to their lowest common denominators 1-9. For example: Aleph (1), Yud (10) and Qoph (100) are interchangeable because they all have the common denominator of #1. This is the Trinity: three personalities in
one. In fact they all total to 111, which is the Gematria of the letter ALEPH spelt out. Beth (2), Koph (20) and Resh (200) are interchangeable as are all the pairing of the numerical sets of letters.
The first letter of Genesis is BETH spelt out Beth (2), Yud (1) and Tav (400). Beth become impregnated by the seed of it own numerical value RESH. Thus BETH opens up to receive RESH and behold the first word of Genesis: Be-RESH-ith (In [the] beginning). When the researcher studies the first word of Genesis: BERESHITH he can actually read the first two verses of Genesis directly from it, before those verses are actually written.
Furthermore:when the letter BETH [ב] is actually studied it can be seen that it is wrapped in the white space that is in it and surrounds it, which is for all intent and purpose PEI [פ] the seventeen letter of the Hebrew
alphabet. The letter PEI also symbolically represents MOUTH, which harbors the 32-teeth as in the 32-paths of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, which is graphically codified to the first chapter of Genesis, with the use of the 32-uses of the Elohym. PEI also infers the 17th Tarot Card, which is THE STAR and the Star of David is also codified to the first chapter of Genesis. PEI symbolically represents the mouth of God that blows the spirit of Elohym over the face of the waters seen in the second verse of Genesis. Thus it is this breath of God that is the cause of the commencement of creation. It is what Carl G. Jung has called the Transcendent Function, which is necessary function of the psyche. It renews the life mission of the individual.
It should be understood that the entire Old and New Testaments are but commentary on the first lette of the Torah: BETH; however, that also goes for the nuances that emanate from the unseen PEI.
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Permalink Reply by Michael A. Williams on
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I must respectfully disagree, William, with your statement that "What most Jews, Christians and Moslems do understand about the Judeao Christian Scriptures is that it is a very mystical document, which cannot under any circumstances be studied from a literal point of view." Having grown up a Christian, though certainly not a fundamentalist or evangelical one now, and observing the landscape now, I can say that most Christians, protestant or Catholic, do not interpret the Bible in a mystical and metaphoric/symbolic manner. The vast majority of Christians, at least in America, are very literal in their interpretation of the Bible. (Although, a selective literalism)
As for Jews, I can't really speak to that, but it would appear that most Muslims are literalistic. The Sufis of Islam, the mystical wing, are in the minority, as far as I know.
As for your question, "does anything exists before Genesis?", or what some are asking, "what exists before the Big Bang. I'd say that is an unanswerable question. I I mean, unanswerable by any words, metaphoric or otherwise, or by any image or pictorial or musical/sound representation.
We're referring to the "ultimate source," something beyond being and non-being, beyond the personal and the non-personal, the dual and non-dual, beyond the one and the many. Beyond the Silence and the non-Silence.
And even all that falls completely, totally short of any definition. But, it never ceases to be fun to try to pin down the undefinable.
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Permalink Reply by William John Meegan on
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Michael:
I made the mistake of not putting in the word "not" in "do not understand". Of course I understand that most people do not read the text esoterically.
My question as the title of my original post was more rhetorical then expecting anyone to seriously answer it.
There is so much imbued into the esoteric text of the first chapter of Genesis it would take volumes to explain it all. But, yes, there is something before the first letter of Genesis. In fact the mere pairing of the letter PEI esoterically to the letter BETH is the foundation of the entire Torah.
Also the entire purpose of the first four chapters of Genesis is to explain the inexplicable: the singularity: big bang; however, much of that is done directly in the first two verses of Genesis from an esoteric point of view. If you were to study just the first word of Genesis: BERESHITH you would find it the most intriguing word in the entire first chapter because everything pivots upon it. To study the Torah you must understand the symbolism of the 22-letters of the Hebrew alphabet because that is what is used to construct the text. Each letter in a word has a numerical and symbolic value, which collectively combine to define the word. Structured into the word BERESHITH is the dawn of the time/space continuum; however, every moment can be the dawn of the time/space continuum. Each moment is a big bang and the birth of every child is the birth of the singularity. This is one of the secrets that BERESHITH teaches.
Let me give you an example: In the Zohar it states that Yahweh represents the Sun and Elohym represents the Moon. it also states that Alephs symbolically represent Elohym and Yud represents Yahweh.
The Zohar tells us that the first word of Genesis represents the six ordinal direction. Taking the clue from this we can say that Bereshith's six letters represent east, west, north, south, up and down.
Now look at the word BERESHITH, which is A construct of the two letters BETH and RESH. As I pointed out in first post BETH impregnate itself with RESH; however in order to do that BETH, which is spelt Beth, Yud, Tav has to open itself up. So Yud (the Sun) go west as it circuits the heavens and hovers over the waters (Tav) as seen in the second verse of Genesis. This leaves Beth in the east. Tav represents the west and Yud represents down because it is heading towards sundown.
This now leaves RESH to be spelt out Resh, Aleph and Shin; which put Resh as north, Aleph as up and Shin as south. Thus we have the dawn of the time space continuum: also it represents the cube and the sphere. Believe it or not this is the cross that Christ died on. But that is not here nor there right now.
Now read the first two verses from the first word of Genesis and you will find that "elohym separating (bara) the heavens and the earth" represent RESH. The word BERESHTH and the second verse represent BETH. Thus the insertion of RESH creates the cross of Christ. It can be shown that at the precise point between the first and second verses lies the Galactic Core for the first verse represent Scorpio and the the second verse represent Sagittarius. Betwixt the two lies the Galactic Core: from where the singularity is derived.
I have given you all this without proper foundation. But I wanted to point out that much of what we read is not contemplated especially if you do not know that the Zodiac/Calendar year overlaps the entire first four chapters of Genesis. There are hundreds of nuances that have to be understood to grasp what I just wrote above. But believe me when I tell you that this all should be taking place in the psyche. The sacred scriptures is a compendium of archetypes of the collective unconscious.
Bill Meegan
Michael A. Williams said:I must respectfully disagree, William, with your statement that "What most Jews, Christians and Moslems do understand about the Judeao Christian Scriptures is that it is a very mystical document, which cannot under any circumstances be studied from a literal point of view." Having grown up a Christian, though certainly not a fundamentalist or evangelical one now, and observing the landscape now, I can say that most Christians, protestant or Catholic, do not interpret the Bible in a mystical and metaphoric/symbolic manner. The vast majority of Christians, at least in America, are very literal in their interpretation of the Bible. (Although, a selective literalism)
As for Jews, I can't really speak to that, but it would appear that most Muslims are literalistic. The Sufis of Islam, the mystical wing, are in the minority, as far as I know.
As for your question, "does anything exists before Genesis?", or what some are asking, "what exists before the Big Bang. I'd say that is an unanswerable question. I I mean, unanswerable by any words, metaphoric or otherwise, or by any image or pictorial or musical/sound representation.
We're referring to the "ultimate source," something beyond being and non-being, beyond the personal and the non-personal, the dual and non-dual, beyond the one and the many. Beyond the Silence and the non-Silence.
And even all that falls completely, totally short of any definition. But, it never ceases to be fun to try to pin down the undefinable.
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Actually James:
Like the Hindus where the entire universe can be envisaged from the sound "aum" so to in the Judeao Christian Scariptures the entire Torah and universe at large can be envisaged from the first letter of the Torah: BETH.
If you read the six days of creation literally you will see that all parts of creation is a separation process. Every new creation is the Phoenix born from the ashes of the old creation. We tend to think there was nothing prior to the dawn of creation: that is false thinking and a study of the first chapter of Genesis esoterically say different.
It was Saint Augustine in his CONFESSION that put me on to something existing before God created the Heavens and the Earth. He was created Hell for people that pry into mysteries: as in mystery schools.
James Pace said:
The way I understand it, there was no discrimination before BETH so there would be no distinguishing one letter or manifestation from another as "separateness" didn't exist yet; all was one - no word had yet been spoken.......or am I way off on that one?
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Permalink Reply by Martin Euser on
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A short comment: bara=separating : agreed. A Dutch theologian has argued in favor of this too, not too long ago. It makes sense in view of the Neo-Platonic tradition. Proclus tells us about the separation of heaven and earth. Before this happens, three divine orders already are in existence: noetic, noetic-noeric and noeric order. See Platonic theology on www.scribd.com/meuser. G.R.S Mead discusses the Orphic Theology, which forms the basis of Platonic theology, and deals with the Greek Theogony. Some theosophical writers have discussed astrological symbolism in the Bible: Alvin Boyd Kuhn, James Morgan Pryse, and other esoteric writers such as Ralston Skinner have decoded some of Genesis and other biblical books. The Indians have Jivatman as their Christos, it seems. Can you tell us more about the cross of Christ?
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Permalink Reply by Christian von Lahr on
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To my reasoning I am thinking that [both] of these conclusions would be most specifically speaking to [THIS] particular iteration, of [THIS] Universe, ... and most importantly (I should think, particularly giving the sound "aum") there is an implied, "at [THIS] time." If my feable mind recalls correctly, there is a [new] sound (probably relative to us, and not necessarily everywhere ... not known) for the Universe (although, I could see it more easily as a fact pertaining to the Earth).
William John Meegan said:
Actually James:
Like the Hindus where the entire universe can be envisaged from the sound "aum" so to in the Judeao Christian Scariptures the entire Torah and universe at large can be envisaged from the first letter of the Torah: BETH.
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The problem I am surmising (don't necessarily know), is that given the varied interpretations and mis-interpretations that H. P. Blavatsky offered in her works due to the lack of separators and vowels could JUST as easily as the example already given represent a form of devination cards. The results from the luck of the draw can make many an interesting scenario, and such is what one comes to expect from Tarot cards. Interesting note, however, and one which underscores my point, is that origionally the ancient form of Tarot cards DID specifically represent ALL the known aspects of creation AND existence. So, synchronistically, and when drawn, the [spread] would indeed tell [some] meaningful story that WILL lend itself to relative interpretation of our lives, and in the current time frame.
THEREFORE, given that the truely pertinent wisdom of old could be reset to a small deck of [cards], easily represented by numbers (which they indeed were), such means could speak to both the Old and New Testements, AND PROBABLY to any more finite area of discussion; since the Divine creation of this Universe is ordered, it stands to reason (stood to reason then) that that particular set of "truth" could be interpreted INTO anything partaining to this iteration of the Universe.
FROM THE ORIGINAL QUOTES:
It is important to understand that the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet are numbers 1-22 and there are five final letters. These 27-integers break down into three rows of nine columns, which reduced to their lowest common denominators 1-9. For example: Aleph (1), Yud (10) and Qoph (100) are interchangeable because they all have the common denominator of #1. This is the Trinity: three personalities in
one.....
It should be understood that the entire Old and New Testaments are but commentary on the first lette of the Torah: BETH; however, that also goes for the nuances that emanate from the unseen PEI.
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Peter:
You, must go beyond Blavatsky. She was a great researcher. I learned a lot from her writings but she was a complier of data from around the world: she did not put it together into a cosmological synthesis. You must ask yourself why every letter, word, verse and chapter to every book and every book in the series of the Old and the New Testament.
The text is so complex mathematically and esoterically I have personally been working with the first four chapters of Genesis for three and half decades and I am bearly scratching the surface and yet my research is enormous from our day and age's perspective.
Peter O'Lalor said:""Does anything exist before the first letter of Genesis: BETH?" Do you mean In the Beginning ...?
Tsadhe (tsaw-day) s (with a dot underneath) 90 Fish-hook See Dr. J. H. Hertz, C.H. Late chief Rabbi of the British Empire, ed., The Pentateuch and Haftorahs: Hebrew Text, English Translation, and Commentary, (London: Soncino Press, 5721-1961, 2nd ed.), 2.
You'll find in Isis Unveiled, that Aleph (OX) is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet followed by Beth, (House)? As elsewhere and moreover Madame Blavatsky specifically states that: "Aleph represents a man pointing with one hand toward the sky, and with the other toward the ground. It is the macrocosm and the microcosm at the same time, and explains the double triangle of the Masons and the five pointed star." See Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Isis Unvieled,V.II (Stockton Trade Press, Inc., The Theosophical Publishing House: Santa Fe Springs, California, 1972, 1877), 270 fn. This footnote is referencing Arba or the mystic four.
In Isis Unveiled, is that the last letter spelled Tau, but Tav traditionally, and had a numerical value of 400. It was very important to representing a universal principle to Egyptians. Isis Unveiled is replete with mention of this last letter, Tau and Aleph, but not Beth, with the exception of "Beth El, of Cannan, in Ibidl, V.I, 530. As well as Beth-El ""mean[ing] the House of the Sun in its literal translation, and not of God." in Ibid., 13. See also primary sources in fn as well as the attempt at all of the above to show a mystical tradition of universal thought and practice. Moreover, "... Thus Theology has disfigured ancient Theosophy, and Science ancient Philosophy. In Ibid fn.
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Christian:
Believe it or not the 22-Major Tarot Cards are a take on the Jewish alphabet. In the Sistine Chapel these 22-cards and first ten numbers are represented by the 28-popes midway between the heavenly and earthly fresoes (a play off the first verse of Genesis: "Elohym separated the Heavens and the Earth"). There use to be 32-popes but Michelangelo wipeout four of them to do the Last Judgment. However, in reading the chapel's frescos one must study the history in order to see what went before. So Kabbalah definitely has a bearing on how to interpret the chapel's fresco.
I look at the Tarot Cards as I do Astrology: as linguistic and symbolic tools. I do not see them as fortune telling devices as others do. The Tarot Cards are a take off of Astrology. Astrology is the oldest of the two forms of expression simply because it is mathematical and the Tarot is symbolic or linguistics/images.
Do not be over concerned with the people that hypotheisize about the Torah being written without vowels and spaces. That kind of rot will rot your brain. CONSIDER. Look at the original Hebrew text yourself and notice the spacing between words and the punctuation of the sentences. I have done an extensive study of just the first chapter of Genesis and believe me each verse has the precise amount of words it should have. The entire chapter totals to 100,093, which has no meaning to many but it is a transposion of the numerical value of the first word: BERESHITH [913]: COINCIDENCE? Hardly. There are 31-verses in the first chapter of Genesis: THE CUBE OF PI. The word ELOHYM has the formula for pi codified into it. DO YOU SEE IT? Both the words Elohym and Yahweh combine to form one of the sets to the Fibonocci sequence of the Golden Ratio.
I could go on like that telling you different things about the first chapter of Genesis you would hardly believe unless I explained them to you. Do you think for one minute that if someone arbitrarily added spaces and vowels to the text that I could have envisage just the little I have given you above. The Torah is meant to be reasoned with logically not traditionally nor reasoned dogmatically: but with common sense, If others cannot prove what they are talking about you have no right taking on their mantle. That is what you are doing everytime you believe something because another has said it.
If you demand answers from God as his offspring you must try to reach up to and reason on his level of thought and do not try it by mimicking the thinking of the inqusitors. The period of the INQUISITION is over and never let the mind of man be so schackled again.
Christian von Lahr said:
The problem I am surmising (don't necessarily know), is that given the varied interpretations and mis-interpretations that H. P. Blavatsky offered in her works due to the lack of separators and vowels could JUST as easily as the example already given represent a form of devination cards. The results from the luck of the draw can make many an interesting scenario, and such is what one comes to expect from Tarot cards. Interesting note, however, and one which underscores my point, is that origionally the ancient form of Tarot cards DID specifically represent ALL the known aspects of creation AND existence. So, synchronistically, and when drawn, the [spread] would indeed tell [some] meaningful story that WILL lend itself to relative interpretation of our lives, and in the current time frame.
THEREFORE, given that the truely pertinent wisdom of old could be reset to a small deck of [cards], easily represented by numbers (which they indeed were), such means could speak to both the Old and New Testements, AND PROBABLY to any more finite area of discussion; since the Divine creation of this Universe is ordered, it stands to reason (stood to reason then) that that particular set of "truth" could be interpreted INTO anything partaining to this iteration of the Universe.
FROM THE ORIGINAL QUOTES:
It is important to understand that the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet are numbers 1-22 and there are five final letters. These 27-integers break down into three rows of nine columns, which reduced to their lowest common denominators 1-9. For example: Aleph (1), Yud (10) and Qoph (100) are interchangeable because they all have the common denominator of #1. This is the Trinity: three personalities in
one.....
It should be understood that the entire Old and New Testaments are but commentary on the first lette of the Torah: BETH; however, that also goes for the nuances that emanate from the unseen PEI.
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Martin:
The entire creation account is a separating process. If you read my paper on THE SISTINE CHAPEL: A Study in Celestial Cartography you will see that I demonstrate that the pattern BARASHITH is a continuous motif in the text from the first letter to beyond the fourth chapter: BERESHITH, BERESHITH, BERESHITH FOREVERMORE.
the first two verses of Genesis is merely a reinteration of the first word of Genesis. The first chapter of Genesis is again a reinteration of the first word of Genesis. You merely have learning how to read the text. The first letter is the entire Torah all else is commentary.
Your mentioning the Platonic tradition is not off I what I know of the first chapter of Genesis. I can demonstrate the Trinity in the first word of Genesis. This seems to back up what you had to say about the three divine orders before creation. In fact it is my belief that the Egyptian and the Greeks and possibly others wrote the Torah and this is derived from the esoteric and not the exoteric studies.
Martin Euser said:A short comment: bara=separating : agreed. A Dutch theologian has argued in favor of this too, not too long ago. It makes sense in view of the Neo-Platonic tradition. Proclus tells us about the separation of heaven and earth. Before this happens, three divine orders already are in existence: noetic, noetic-noeric and noeric order. See Platonic theology on www.scribd.com/meuser. G.R.S Mead discusses the Orphic Theology, which forms the basis of Platonic theology, and deals with the Greek Theogony. Some theosophical writers have discussed astrological symbolism in the Bible: Alvin Boyd Kuhn, James Morgan Pryse, and other esoteric writers such as Ralston Skinner have decoded some of Genesis and other biblical books. The Indians have Jivatman as their Christos, it seems. Can you tell us more about the cross of Christ?
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