Wisdom teachings versus "Parliament of the World's Religions" and "URI"
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"Parliament of the World's Religions" and "URI".
Dear friendsMy views are:
In the following I am only stating my views.
This thread is dedicated to all Seekers after Truth and Wisdom.
The aim is to promote H. P. Blavatsky's views and as given in
the following quote.
HPB on The aim of the theosophical Seekers after Truth:
"First of all to inculcate certain great moral truths upon its disciples, and all those who were "lovers of the truth." Hence the motto adopted by the Theosophical Society: "There is no religion higher than truth." ... The chief aim of the Founder of the Eclectic Theosophical School [i.e. Ammonious Saccas] was one of the three objects of its modern successor, the Theosophical Society, namely, to reconcile all religions, sects and nations under a common system of ethics, based on eternal verities."
(http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm)
The below two international and very influential interfaith groups could be used much more as platforms to help this theosophical aim along and to make it prosper. And if true it will be of the greatest importance to humanity!
Parliament of the World's Religions and United Religions Initiative (URI) can be said to be among if not the most influential religious peace-seeking groups on the planet today!
I and I think also other Seekers after Wisdom will call their aim noble and helpful to the cause we Seekers after Wisdom and truth follows.
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The Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions
Our Mission
The Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions was created to cultivate harmony among the world's religious and spiritual communities and foster their engagement with the world and its guiding institutions in order to achieve a just, peaceful and sustainable world.
http://www.parliamentofreligions.org
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United Religions Initiative (URI)
"United Religions Initiative (URI) was founded in 2000 by an extraordinary global community committed to promoting enduring, daily interfaith cooperation and to ending religiously motivated violence. Today the URI includes thousands of members in over 65 countries representing more than 100 religions, spiritual expressions, and indigenous traditions... "
http://www.uri.org/About_URI.html
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Now I am asking YOU, myself and the world:
* In what manner can we improve the above aim of the theosophists through the above two bodies?
* In what manner could an enhanced dialog with the World Press, TV, political leaders, scientific leaders, and other religious leaders increase awareness of the huge importance these two groups have when compared to the United Nations and ones own country's leadership(s)?
All words on the above to bodies and the theosophical teachings relation to them are welcome, - as well as words on the above questions.
"First of all to inculcate certain great moral truths upon its disciples, and all those who were "lovers of the truth." Hence the motto adopted by the Theosophical Society: "There is no religion higher than truth." ... The chief aim of the Founder of the Eclectic Theosophical School [i.e. Ammonious Saccas] was one of the three objects of its modern successor, the Theosophical Society, namely, to reconcile all religions, sects and nations under a common system of ethics, based on eternal verities."
(http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm)
The below two international and very influential interfaith groups could be used much more as platforms to help this theosophical aim along and to make it prosper. And if true it will be of the greatest importance to humanity!
Parliament of the World's Religions and United Religions Initiative (URI) can be said to be among if not the most influential religious peace-seeking groups on the planet today!
I and I think also other Seekers after Wisdom will call their aim noble and helpful to the cause we Seekers after Wisdom and truth follows.
'A*
The Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions
Our Mission
The Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions was created to cultivate harmony among the world's religious and spiritual communities and foster their engagement with the world and its guiding institutions in order to achieve a just, peaceful and sustainable world.
http://www.parliamentofreligions.org
*B*
United Religions Initiative (URI)
"United Religions Initiative (URI) was founded in 2000 by an extraordinary global community committed to promoting enduring, daily interfaith cooperation and to ending religiously motivated violence. Today the URI includes thousands of members in over 65 countries representing more than 100 religions, spiritual expressions, and indigenous traditions... "
http://www.uri.org/About_URI.html
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Now I am asking YOU, myself and the world:
* In what manner can we improve the above aim of the theosophists through the above two bodies?
* In what manner could an enhanced dialog with the World Press, TV, political leaders, scientific leaders, and other religious leaders increase awareness of the huge importance these two groups have when compared to the United Nations and ones own country's leadership(s)?
All words on the above to bodies and the theosophical teachings relation to them are welcome, - as well as words on the above questions.
M. Sufilight
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Permalink Reply by Katinka Hesselink on
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Of course he's not saying that.
In general organizations are only as good as the people in them. And since there were very different people in the 1893 organization than in the 1993 organization, they were very different things.
There is also something about doing something for the first time which is different from repeating it ever after - no traditions, and therefor more of a newness, a lightness, a being rooted in that place and time... The 1893 WPR was obviously a success, the press and all the participants said so. Doesn't mean that the concept keeps on succeeding. Doesn't even mean that because in 1993 it wasn't good, that it will be not good next time. If there IS a next time.
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Permalink Reply by Charles Cosimano on
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I don't know about bad. I had a good time. It was one hell of a party and the Pagans sure knew how to pack away the liquor, but if anyone seriously thought that anything that would somehow matter would come of it, they were mistaken.
In fact, considering the vision the organizers had of the human future, I am very happy that nothing lasting came of it. I fall over when I try to goose step.
You have to remember that things were much different in 1893. That was the first time that representatives of many of the world's religions were together talking and not trying to kill each other. 1993 was representatives of a lot of the world's religions getting together with the intent to impose their views on the rest of the world. And the intent was made very clear. I don't know how it is constituted now, as no one even knows it exists or very much cares if they do know, but in 1993 it would not have been too far from the mark to call the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions a Fascist organization with a genuinely totalitarian vision for the future of humanity and what tiny effect my efforts may have had in subverting that effort undoubtedly will add towards good rebirth.
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Permalink Reply by M. Sufilight on
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Dear friends and C. Cosimano
My views are:
Are you, C. Cosimano, able to back your view with something more substantial than sort of just claiming the following about 1993 Parliament of the World's Religions, saying that: "it would not have been too far from the mark to call the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions a Fascist organization with a genuinely totalitarian vision for the future of humanity"?
Maybe I misunderstood you, but I guess, that you are not prepared to answer my previous question:
Are you concluding that the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions is a useless activity?
M. Sufilight
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Read the documents associated with it and you will see what I mean. It was worse than useless in prospect, but fortunately became utterly useless in practice.
It was a monster that fortunately was allowed to die after birth.
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Dear friends and C. Cosimano
My views are:
I will have clearly to disagree with that view, unless you are able to back it with something more substantial.
In the old days Shankaracharya and others held debates between themselves and other systems of thought to promote their views. The theosophical aim was and still is the same; - and adds the following through H. P. Blavatsky.
H. P. Blavatsky said, that the object of TS is:
"First of all to inculcate certain great moral truths upon its disciples, and all those who were "lovers of the truth." Hence the motto adopted by the Theosophical Society: "There is no religion higher than truth." † The chief aim of the Founder of the Eclectic Theosophical School was one of the three objects of its modern successor, the Theosophical Society, namely, to reconcile all religions, sects and nations under a common system of ethics, based on eternal verities."
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"Ammonius, who endeavoured to induce Gentiles and Christians, Jews and Idolaters, to lay aside their contentions and strifes, remembering only that they were all in possession of the same truth under various vestments, and were all the children of a common mother. * This is the aim of Theosophy likewise. " (The Key to Theosophy, p. 2-3)
So why is such a group or similar ones not useful, when we know that important religious teachers participate at its meetings? And can they not learn from each other?
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I never footnote my posts. People are quite capable of using google, even Morton.
In any event, I will only say that when Bobby (my dead wife talks to me) Mueller said that there should be a religious agency in the UN and it should control religious bodies, everyone in the TS delegation, from Radha on, was absolutely aghast.
In 1983, a strange woman named Constace Cumby wrote a Christian Paranoia book entitled "The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow," in which she gave the TS prominance as an organization dedicated to creating a one world tyranny. We made a lot of fun of it and her and that nonsense. Then, there we were at the evening session on the first night of the WPR and we heard, after hearing everyone on the platform praising Theosophy to the high heavens to our great amazement, the same lunacy coming from the mouth of Robert Mueller only he was advocating it! I believe that even Radha showed an expression, something that her face is normally incapable of!
If that is what important teachers teach, then they can take their teaching and shove it.
It turned out that they treated the various leadership types very badly as well. The organizers sort of locked them away and Hans Kung presented them with his global ethic documented and told them to sign it. Not discuss it, sign it. That produced a major crisis as a number of those folk simply walked out.
I think they really wanted to follow the actual example of Shankaracharya when he led the pogrom to cleanse India of the Buddhists.
Such gatherings are useful for comic relief but are of otherwise limited utility. -
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Robert Mueller held some insignificant post in the UN (all posts in the UN insignficant even they though don't know it) for many years and used that as a marketing tool
He was too nuts even for Art Bell. -
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Dear friends and C. Cosimano
My views are:
If what you say about Robert Müller is true, I agree that he was talking against the original teaching given by H. P. Blavatsky on why theosophical teachings are not promoting lawmaking schemes and similar. (The Key to Theosophy, p. 54-55)
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Robert Müller's website: http://robertmuller.org
Wikipedia on Robert Müller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Muller
The Ageless Wisdom School
http://www.unol.org/saw/index.html
Robert Muller seems also involved with: University for Peace
http://www.upeace.org/about/
Robert Muller's teachings:
"The underlying philosophy upon which the Robert Muller School is based will be found in the teaching set forth in the books of Alice A. Bailey by the Tibetan teacher, Djwhal Khul ...."
World Core Curriculum Manual (Robert Muller School, Arlington TX: 1986); Preface.
Yet his teachings are not quite the same as the ones given in the Alice A. Bailey books. Some will call the deviations semantics, and others not.
I talked with Gloria on the phone once about a decade ago asking her about the problems his teachings had. And she was as I perceived it back then not able to distinguish - vital importance of the difference - between a doctrine of mere belief and one of real and true knowledge. And when I read that some of Roberts lectures had huge entrance fee's, I rejected him as way out of line.
But of course we always welcome anything peaceful, provided it is truly promoting peace and not war.
M. Sufilight
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Sounds to me that part of the problem is the difference between 'promoting peace' and living peace. Only the latter can be a foundation for LASTING peace.
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