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Permalink Reply by Capt. Anand Kumar on May 18, 2013 at 10:00pm

That Bumblebees cannot fly is a misconception and a good example to show how faith does not necessarily lead to right knowledge.

All the knowledge that humanity possesses today has come from questioning.

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Permalink Reply by Hari Menon on May 19, 2013 at 7:23am

Dear Paul,

  None of the above are faith , faith in spirituality is different from the way it is used in ordinary language and conception , it is indescribable - but then again coming to your question what is faith ? 

I am attempting an answer - a person having resolved that he will live ethically in intent also , and by the carrying out of that pure resolve through "appropriate" practices that permeate his life , in the belief that it will lead to a proper life and living - which in turn endows him with experiences of the unmanifest in stages , bolsters his faith incrementally by a reveleation of knowledge of the self from "within" , and as his knowledge increases on himself and the infinite his love for and unwavering belief based on sound understanding and knowledge leads in a cyclical growth reinforcing the very miniscule and almost laughable faith and ideas he had at the beginning inn gradual steps through perfect knowledge into perfect faith wherein he never swerves from the path of truth and it in turn increases his ineer existence based on the bedrock of faith a million fold till he beholds the self in everything and himself in the self alongwith everything and that knowledge becomes more stornger and perceptible and surer than touching a wall . 

It is impossible to have faith in the beginning , it is only an idea that becomes clearer as knowledge is gained and then faith grows automatically without any effort, for a man cannot have faith on something which he has no knowledge of , and faith increases and love also on knowledge being gained to by stages , One almost becomes ashamed that one had a puny idea of faith in the beginning and lets the self instruct himself in faith , no man can endow faith on another inless it is by proper knowledge . Without knowledge faith is useless and another superstition . Knowledge alone confers perfect faith , the man becomes faith itself , he does not have to think or not think about faith , it is his own self and one will love what one knows more not what does not know and the self alone is the most liked by everyone whatever else anyone may say , It is not as simple as saying that one loves oneself - no never the self stands revealed as everything in existence and the man by faith enters into it and inheres in it immediately . Faith born of knowledge is the fire of the spirit that brings one to Godhood , it is entierley internal and nothing external can impart it  to person . 

The faith that you talk of is what is a "a concomittant" due to a "something else" - it is the same as saying an evidence is required for faith to be there , and that evidence has to conform to your ideas of what constitutes evidence or proof in relation to the divine or the self which is again dependant on your ideas of what you have of the divine which are all founded on heresay and other inferior knowledge . The faith that I speak of is the faith that is inherent immeasurably in man and which arises as a knowledge of self (himself  alone ) - it has no parallels in the outer world .

Reality is only a word and it is not absolute as no words or concepts or ideas or language is absolute they all rest on the waking state and in human beings only . It has no value as a language idea . One has to uncondition oneself from language by inner practices , once language is transcended one becomes free to the extent whereby he can examine the feelings and thoughts arising as a result from them in a clear manner and understand the truth about silence .

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