NO MORE BS TALK
There is a greater purpose for us all here aside from spirituality, metaphysics, science, math, esotericism, empiricism etc something that will serve us all on the same level that doesn't deal with the same old wear and tear talk here that has been going since I have been here.
What service are you providing towards a better world, a better future, a better government or a better self?
Have you linked up with anyone to test drive your abilities?
What new thoughts have you thought lately that would benefit your country, your neighbor, or your enemy (if you have one)?
Who dares to take Theosophy someplace that is had not yet traveled to openly?
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Permalink Reply by Hari Menon on
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Dear Jessica ,
All said and done , the aims are very noble - now just being curious everything has a purpose or may not , but human beings definitely , bold assumptions , keen and acute and clear thinking can help oneself and the world .
The world around us it does not matter whether we are materialistic or spiritual societies , it is inevitable it will be one or both or none at all , But I am perplexed at one fell swoop (so to say) you have cleared the table of a lot of Concepts - which is good in itself , Now all said and done to be of use to another or ones country as ordinary people that we are , I understand we could reform ourselves and be more considerate and thoughtful etc etc. It is theosophy and it is human values . Look carefully at this site - it is a whole lot better than other sites , people have to contribute creatively - Now look at the site on Facebook - Captain has a most unenviable task there , it is a mess of oddballs and 60's type of freaks but wearing coats doing the same thing that is so odious in the name of Philosophy , by which I mean nothing is original there , and it is a cacophony . but then it is only a social site , and so we cannot expect more .
Now looked at a wider angle , what is the rush to reform the world ? our immediate surroundings and immediate levels of existence have to be clean , failing which we are just liars .
I do keep an open mind on things - but tell me what is it exactly that you mean when you say we have to take theosophy
"where no man has gone before " ? . It is a sign of progress when a person becomes very enthusiastic and the urge to do things and communicate arises - but it is like the rising of the Kundalini - where many do not know how to diffuse the creative energy in the ground noumenon and end up having sexual arousal , there is a flip side to the Kundalini by thought or knowledge it ends up as an :urge to reform the world", These rae but two aspects of the same creative energy one is sensate and refuses to become ideas due to the density of the "sufferer" and the other is intellectual but unfortunately is directed to "action" rather than the noumenon .
I doubt if I am capable of or have the ability to come up with a new world philosophy , and whether it be theosophy or philosophy there is a certain ground which is a launch pad to greater things , if you look at Faivres Conditions - the first 4 lead to the next 2 they cannot be seen in exclusion , failing which it becomes individualized - certainly a very dangerous thing . As for me Faivres rules laying down the ground of existence is quite comprehensive and adequate , for all philosophies and it is broad enough without losing clarity to even include the Vedas. For me it makes sense to present my views but unfortunately points 5 and 6 come first or in between any point of 1 and 4 due to the peculiar circumstances not of religion but of the culture that I am placed in .
Why is it that not more people are evincing an interest and in participation in the forum befitting its membership ? I have given it deep thought and the answers are many . Leaving aside the issues contained in the analysis , there does exist the possibility of improving everyones everyday life through this forum without touching on Classical things - but then what is the medium or level of knowledge ? It starts with Ethics which is as old as man itself and practical philosophy . If the site is left to this it would degenerate into an "agony aunt" kind of site - since people are interested in various things and problems and those take precedence over any avowed principles any site may have .
What determines the evolution of a good philosophy which would synthesis many view points would be the developing of the ethos for a site in such a way that openness and unafraid or a feeling of shame to voice their opinions or questions or make statements is there . These I believe the site has and encourages in ample proportion . There is value to the reader in this site .Now the main problem for the anorexia in ideas in such a forum stems from a deep malaise of terrible inconsistency of the average person - the dedication is not just there , the ideals are there ,- people are not (or maybe ) interested in a long term affair with the intellect , it involves personal practice, self study and discussions etc over years and is a life long journey . But I have noticed frivolity and lack of purpose mainly in FB - and here its the multiplicity of systems of thought and a pure ignorance in choosing the way for which itself a clear mind is required - America is a wonderful country as is all the western world - but unfortunately the discipline is lacking in exercising choices even in matters of personal evolution , a new philosophy comes up and everyone runs to it it becomes a fad and even the well intentioned person moves with the herd . Or they take up some vague practice which is being sold in the bazaar , the western world in General are so enamoured with words and concepts and variations of words that it is a mess , moreover they approach a thing with a predetermined idea of philosophies and makes things more difficult . What is understood is the superficial and it is called Thinking and philosophy . Theosophy IS the going where no man has gone before , but then everyone wants to have company and travel in a group as if it were a sunday trek , with great bonhomie and make noises , and plunk down on the first soft spot they come across have food plan the next day and then continue .
It does not work that way , it is a part of ourselves to be enjoyed as one enters and supplies food for the intellect and improve the conditions of ones life . The ethos is not understood by many , many learn but run away to other bazaar philosophies which are the fad ,
I do agree we are all here for a purpose - but tell me in all honesty is it for table talk or a genuine improvement of conditions first oneself and then to help another in something abiding and lasting - Knowledge .
Again what does not surprise me is that we have never had metaphysics or empiricsm or many of the spinoff things that western thought (not philosophy) has generated so it is more or less coherent body and terms words and concepts and ideas are different , but how on earth will you even be able to venture without the concepts that you have so adroitly cleared from the table ? THose terms are the bedrock of western theosophy , of course antiquity, Judaeo Christianity , Hermetiscism, Rosicrusianism , Pre Socratic , Neo Platonic, Pilatus,Western Yoga ,Mind developments,Scientology, Spaghetti, IKT , Norse ,Egyptian,German,Roman,Greek,Myths and symbols ,Gnostics , HPB, and a million other teachers and sects - what does all this mean ? It is a mess and so loose and with even freaks and discredited philosophies and theories finding a niche - why wont people understand that Philosophy is not Just a bunch of thoughts -
Aristotle , Plato have been called metaphysicalists and all kind of ignorant rubbish , empiricsm, idealism, scepticsm ,rationalism , - these are just poor words by inferior mind to propagate their even inferior and lame thoughts . With a whole lot of nature lovers, artistic crazy people , creationism , evolutionism all these are where the idiocy of reasoning and judgement get in . Where is the Theosophy that a man can bring to fruition if words are thrown around in a meaningless fashion - where is the coherence in thought ? what does all the chatter and white noise signify ? What is the level of thinking that a person has to employ in philosophy , the language - there are philosophy of the shopping malls , of social networks and of management and profits and polictics - but that philosophy is not this - an agglomeration of and the spinning of words killing the life and substance of a language and making problem in concepts for the rest of the world , and doing it in such a cavalier fashion , and disturbing the thought world of others making things more difficult - this has been the real perversion in the intellect , inability to remember even one theory correctly and so renaming by a new word
it is the legacy of laziness that is being thrown around in the world . It will be the death of everyone for sure , spawning of illegitimate language and making things go fast when nothing actually is really happening and disturbing the peace .
These are my thoughts on the modern difficulty of Philosophy in the western world .The crest jewel of thinking in man is being downgraded by illiterates - there is no progress without right reason and thinking . First get a good shirt and then buy a washing machine . Discrimination in thought not promiscuity and the passing of a fools thought in the market place ,Dialogue with religions , and all kinds of rubbish . Philosophy is the world , it has to be experienced and learnt also individually never collectively .
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Permalink Reply by Jessica R. Huffmeyer on
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Dear Hari,
I don't waste my time with Facebook it's not my cup of tea!
Thing is most people want to separate the material from the spiritual when truth is they go hand and hand and rightfully should continue to do so as long as there is life on Earth or any where else. Neither one would be able to survive without the other.
Right now, I am trying to see where the minds of Theosophists or Theosphy.Net followers minds are at in the moment time here on this site. I see many Theosophist on this site who are all very reserved in their words.What good is a skilled person doing reserving their craft and not doing anything with it in the time most in need? I am sure it has a lot to do with the rules of the road here and clamp on HPB talk. There is more to Theosophy than what the mainstream sees in the TS or another Theosophical affiliated organization. There are many men and women who all have different ideas of their Theosophy and this creates controversy amongst each other which leads into separation causing disunity in oneness. One of the most important understandings amongst Theosophists is "ONENESS" living and loving all as you do yourself no matter what you believe in just as long as you do not try to convert anyone into your own beliefs. There is nothing wrong with seeing the same thing differently and therefore should be embraced because the world would be a very dull place if we all thought the same thoughts and wore the same clothes and talked alike. Where is the unity aside from the differences in belief?
Theosophy doesn't need a new religion because many Theosophist have created many kinds of religions and new thought paths. What Theosophy needs more than anything is a world service to shine its light in the minds of those who are unplugged from themselves. Theosophy needs a new thread to bring the people together no matter what they believe in or how they believe in it. The light is looking mighty dim and the inspirations are dying because people cannot figure out how to reason right within themselves let alone reason in the duty of the world.
This is my personal view which may not make sense to anyone else but me. But I feel that this is a noble duty and one that is owed to ourselves for divine life. Where are the charismatic people today?
One super big issue I see is that everyone is too busy looking behind them and talking about what Plato, HPB, Socrates ect did back in the day instead of focussing on today and the future days to come.
We are all ONE and we all share the same world, there is nothing wrong in helping the world evolve into a better one than it is now. There is always room for improvement every where for everyone. I am speaking of the world at large here and I am not leaving anyone out of it. I think it is time to step up and live like we preach (oneness) because this world is disunited more than it is united and there is more hatred than there is love and you don't see this as a shame?
Where has the love and compassion gone?
You are right, Hari, everyone has become too lazy to think of world matters.
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Dear Jessica ,
A person can be an avowed TS member subscribing to their bible , it is quite okay , and if it has been correctly assimilated in practice to an extent of not just one of well being but as affording an insight into the machinations of the world , I do not think that they would find it difficult to relate to other varied philosophies, but I suspect the broadening of vision is not quite there at present in these adherents , I doubt besides a normal way of thinking into an extraordinary science still persists and the keenness of intellect may not quite be there - This might keep them circulating amongst the same group . But there will be people who look at the broader side of things and are open to thoughts from other sides . Historical analysis as to what a person may or may not have meant by a thing is the worst that can happen in life , we trap ourselves within a narrow confine and obstruct our own progress , this normally leads to bitterness and a dogmatic clinging or a violent rejection . What plato did or did not do or what Jesus or Buddha meant means nothing unless we "understand" what it means to us and how we have related to it , this is proper thinking and abstraction not just opining or a belief .
You cannot change the world , this is what I am trying to emphasize - we have had enough do gooders and this is where we stand today , in the whole history of mankind no person has ever been able to change another by just talking , the other must be willing to be changed not weak willed as to be susceptible to the glorified suggestions of another and be awed , unfortunately it is what is happening , people do not exercise discrimination and look for the really good , but jump into the morass on popular oipnion and heresay , this initial step itself is not conducive to progress , everything related to the self is to be purposive and a deliberate and intelligent exercise of choice by will and knowledge - it may take time to exercise that choice , but flexibility and commonsense is to be employed all along so that it does not preclude the parts of other paths which may bolster ones main thought process - each one of us are the synthesis of so many different thought structures in Theosophy that it is not easy to say what specific path was chosen and this is how it should be - a man becomes a receptacle of various philosophies which find their resting in his understanding - it is a focussed and purposive movement , not a frivolous one or a descending into the morass again . Theosophy means something it is not just a word or a system of thought , never it is just like yoga or Tao chi - one inheres in it the understanding cannot be different from knowledge , how can knowledge be an object - never it is the impossible . The understanding has to be on sound principles which guide a person and his life , he must have seen the good in it and thrown away what is not for him - otherwise it will not grow in him . All over India I know for a fact , the most violent tussles take place between a preceptor and his student . The preceptor also learns from his student - people think it is all kow towing - never ; the student tests the guru it is a part of the path . It is not just a manifesto and a military type of brainwashing , anybody can walk out at any time he pleases of his own volition , this the freedom . Nobody is bound to any master , and no master craves for a student . How on earth can a person believe that a master will fetter another ? The very subject is freedom and if freedom is not there the student is an ass , he should look and see where he was happiest prior to getting a master and go back there where he is happy and free . There is only love and compassion in the relationship , nothing more - nothing worldly is asked for nothing at all . Why do people not discriminate before looking for a master , the student gets the master for his level this is the truth , as he progresses he will get another and another till he needs no one but himself . Theosophy is not a religion Jessica we have to be very careful with words in these realms of thought , for we are with thought itself so pure and mirror like , Theosophy the way it is used these days is abhorrent , Theosophy is from the gods itself , it is their thoughts ,what are symbols ? Symbols are pure figures and images used by the cosmic mind in transmitting knowledge , how is a symbol coming into being - IT HAS TO HAVE PURITY before it is accepted by the cosmic mind , for it is only at that level of purity of thought the cosmic mind itself starts though interpenetrating . And it is accorded the status of the self generated symbols like archangels, cherubims, seraphims, Devas etc etc which is why we can still see the Greek Goddesses and Gods , the Roman and the Egyptian ones , they are etrnal manifestations from the cosmic - it takes more than an ordinary mind to leave an imprint at that levl as to give visions even today . It is like natural and man made phenomena in the physical world .
Every alphabet of every known and dead language in the world are letters which have been enlivened by man and still exist as also ideas of man that have matched those of the infinite . How else has the greek letters become symbols for mathematics ? the potency and sublimity with which the language was used , why is Sanskrit still a living classical language ? it is the love and knowledge with it was used and is still used ,- languages die when cultures die , the corruption of languages and ideas are the sure indication of the onset of the death of a civilization , processes have already been set in motion far greater than can be imagined in the common intellect , for language is man , it is culture - this is not esoteric knowledge (partly yes) partly Philology explains this . The subtler part comes from knowledge of the intellect which is not part of Philology. If I cannot grasp my language correctly , or have a love of it then I am no better than a beast . We are taught that our language is our first mother , the biological mother comes next , love of language has to be matched with the love for ones mother - otherwise nothing on earth can withstand the onslaught of the depredations of another more inimicable culture , This is how cultures live and sustain vitality of thought and life in a country , IT is how a country survives onslaughts , not by armies , not by weapons but by love of the earth and language ,it is the very essence of countries and thought , it defines the ego of a nation which cannot be broken physically , only superior assent from the cosmic will allow for disintegration and reintegration . When land is lost meditation is lost, if language is lost then cultures are lost bestiality sets in , replacement in a creeping manner by perversion of the intellect takes place . Reason will be perverted judgement will be lost and knowledge will be corrupted and one starts seeing shadows everywhere .It is not just the individual but it is an infinite psychosis till a way emerges on its own through suffering and misery alone .This is what the Upanishads say " Peaceful coexistence at whatever sacrifice is the only thing that sustains cultures and the human race itself . To deny it is to deny existence itself , to deny existence is to deny the worlds and the worlds deny that world which will not live in peace - existence itself can deny itself as a sacrifice for peace and it will become like stone and will never return again ". It is a serious matter. Look at the last 400 years in human history compare and contrast with the last 200, 150, 100 , 50 and see what is progress we all share a common destiny that we cannot reverse unless the intellect is clean . The most violent piece of earth in the universe has been Europe never at rest with itself or its neighbours at no point in human history. Why blame arabs look carefully and europe is still not peaceful . It pains to even write about Facebook or Google when one looks at the larger picture .The less said the better of everything .
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The sons of men are one and I am one with them.
I seek to love, not hate;
I seek to serve and not exact due service;
I seek to heal, not hurt.Let pain bring due reward of light and love.
Let the soul control the outer form, and life and all events
And bring to light the love that underlies the happenings of the time.Let vision come and insight.
Let the future stand revealed.
Let inner union demonstrate and outer cleavages be gone.
Let love prevail. Let all men love.
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Permalink Reply by Paul lee James on
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Dear Jessica,
Absolutley beautiful. Well said. Paul
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Here is a pasted copy of 7 simple practices that can bring a positive transformation into our lives to create a better world from a site that is worth a read. Enjoy!
Law of One
1.PRACTICE ONE: UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS - The Law of One is the comprehension that all things are made of intelligent energy and are a part of the All-One. The Law of One is a Sacred Science of the mechanics of consciousness and are the Natural Laws governing our Universal Creation. All-One is the recognition that Eternal Truth is Eternal Love and Eternal Love is the organic consciousness of Infinite Creator, or God. Eternal Love consciousness embodied in a form is Unity intelligence, and simultaneously recognized as, the Inner Light of Christos. Unity consciousness is at One with God and Unity consciousness ignites the Inner Light of Christos. The Inner Light of Christos when actualized in form, is the embodiment of an Eternal God Human. Practice Unity Consciousness and One is directly reflecting the image of God’s Love, and is eternally protected. Be At One with All, as One is All with God.
2. PRACTICE TWO: LOVE YOURSELF – Apply the practice of Unity with All-One as an extension towards loving, honoring and respecting yourself. Acknowledge the precious life force within by holding reverence and respect for yourself in all ways. Loving yourself is the action of Self Sovereignty, which is the natural state of embodying God’s Eternal Love. As a manifestation of God’s eternal spirit of Love, one has the ability to choose to create personal freedom without harming others. Have courage to remove the obstacles of pain and fear to become embodied Love, as God’s spirit is always found within.
3. PRACTICE THREE: LOVE OTHERS – As you learn to love yourself, love others. Acknowledge the precious life force in others by holding love, reverence and respect for others. Loving others as you love yourself, is the natural state of Self Sovereignty as you give others the same reverence for their life, as you give your own life. Through practicing self-love and loving others, no approval, worth or esteem issues come into question, as all is loved equally.
4. PRACTICE FOUR: LOVE EARTH AND NATURE - Loving the Earth and all her creations, the kingdoms of nature, plants, animals and mineral, which are all alive, conscious and intelligent energy beings. Acknowledge the precious life force present in all of God’s creation, by holding reverence and respect for nature. Doing so restores balance and harmony to nature, and the intelligent energy of all of earth’s creations will respond to cooperate with humankind. Humans living in discord with nature create many events that are considered to be “at the mercy of” the untamed forces. As humans learn to live in harmony with earth and the nature kingdom, the natural creatures will align to be in harmony and cooperation with all inhabitants.
5. PRACTICE FIVE: SERVICE TO OTHERS – Upon firmly loving yourself and honoring your path, find methods to be of service to others that do not overstep personal boundaries of discernment. Being of service to others does not include consumptive modeling, such as victim-victimizer, parasitism or emotional vampirism. Being of service does not hold an ego perspective of entitlement, expectation or attachment. Practice being of service with unconditional love, and naturally flowing in the moment. The energy exchange made between participants being of service to others, amplifies and expands consciousness growth like no other method. The more you amplify the energetic field of being in service to others, the more joy, harmony and gifts will be brought into your life. The more service you dedicate to Gods plan, the Law of One, the more spiritual support and spiritual presence one can exchange with God Force.
6. PRACTICE SIX: CONSCIOUSNESS EXPANSION – Learn to develop inner clarity and spiritual integrity by intending to develop personal consciousness and/or spiritual identity. To embody one’s spiritual identity, one’s mind must be initiated and disciplined. If the ego is in authority of the body it will repel the spiritual identity from embodiment. If the mental body creates obstacles to the spiritual identity, the spiritual identity, therefore the consciousness, will not be experienced. The first step to consciousness expansion is becoming aware of mind control and the quality content of thoughts and belief systems. The second step is to cooperate with the process of mental and physical discomfort by having patience and waiting in the void of silence. Learn to quiet the mind, sublimate the ego and be still. Once stillness, mental discipline and ego sublimation has been achieved, listen to your inner spirit to receive guidance. Inner Guidance will always lead to the process of re-education to experience continual consciousness expansion free of fear and dogma. The Inner Christos always guides one towards choosing more love and peace via consciousness expansion of the spiritual identity.
7. PRACTICE SEVEN: RESPONSIBLE CO-CREATION – As one becomes more infused with the eternal love of the spiritual identity, the intelligent blueprint activates the divine purpose of being as a co-creator with God. The spiritual identity and the intelligent blueprint of divine purpose are one and the same. Clarity of purpose and direction becomes clearer and clearer as one commits to live in service to the principles of All-ONE or Christ spirit. Knowing and Living our purpose brings joy, peace and fulfillment, even when facing adversity or challenges. Once we achieve “knowing”, we are responsible for that knowing, and practice responsible co-creation with the All-One. A responsible co-creator knows all manifestations are in partnership with the All-One. We do not possess or control anything, so needs, desires and superimposing will, should be avoided. We are stewards of God Spirit to Serve Others in responsible co-creation with All-One. From this knowing, and living this principle, we are eternally free of karmic exchanges.
GodSovereignFree
"Purity of heart and listening to your inner God Spirit is All there Is. All paths ultimately lead to One. For One and For All : I am God! I am Sovereign! I am Free!"
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Permalink Reply by Capt. Anand Kumar on
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Thank You Jessica for taking the bull by the horns.
Without integrating the concept of service in our lives, all the intellectual exercises are meaningless.
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I respect your opinion, Captain as always, thank you!
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ModeratorPermalink Reply by John on -
Just an FYI -
We do have a Practices Group to discuss both inner and outer spiritual practices.
It fell dormant and needs someone to energize that aspect of the site.
Did I just hear Jessica volunteer to assume the lead there... ?Anand? (both?
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John,
I heard it. I'm on board. Paul
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Permalink Reply by William John Meegan on
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Jessica:
The ancients left behind their wisdom and never took credit for all the hard work and expense that went into providing it. Today we have the sacred scriptures and the monuments of the world to attest to that. Their silence literally echos down through the ages. It is as if they were saying "take it or leave it".
To go out into the world and give one's knowledge away is in our day and age to have it spat back into our faces. I know because I have been at it for more than three decades trying to explain to family, friends and associates what my research is all about and they go away shaking their heads. This kind of knowledge cannot be given away.
However, I still write books and write blogs on several forums and give radio interviews: I try to put the information out there and it is all I can personally do. I think it was meant to be that way because God was, is and will always be my confidant and there is no way that I or another can take his place. I think that is why the system is set up the way it is.
Thirty-five years ago I had two spiritually healings six months apart. I understood one to be symbolic of that which Saint John talks about in the Pool of Bethesda and the other I saw as a vision of God. Both were from the story of the Pool of Bethesda but I was not paying full attention: I did not make the connections then. I went back to the those texts and reread that scripture this month and it surprised me at the simplicity of what I did not see. It is amazing what we don't see or hear when others reach out to us. It is the same with other people that hear us. Nonetheless God did what he did for me all those years ago and I still benefited and I think that is how it works when people that hear us in our efforts to reach them. They'll get it at a later date or not at all. It is not up to us to know if other glimpses our pearls of wisdom less it go to our heads and overwhelm our egos.
The first healing in the Pool of Bethesda tell us that we each have to actively take part in a 'participation mystique' so to speak when entering into spirituality. Going down into the pool and wanting to be healed. It shows desire and willingness to leave our old comfort zones. Most people are not willing to do that. A lot of people cling to their illnesses like a comfort blanket. Charley Brown friend Linnell is not the only one dragging around a comfort blanket.
The second healing is told right after the first where the man of 38-years could not go down into the pool because of his infirmity, And Christ spoke to him. That experience with Christ is a vision of God. The 38-years is symbolic of a grand lunar cycle: or the Second Coming of Christ. That man had no other human being willing to help him or no other person could help him because their own needs came first. Such a biblical story tells me that as long as the individual puts forth some effort God knows of that 'participation mystique'.
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