Traditional Theosophy Simplified (maybe) - Theosophy.Net2024-03-29T10:12:51Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/traditional-theosophy-simplified-maybe?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A115572&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'm comming from kabbalah and…tag:theosophy.net,2012-09-13:3055387:Comment:1155722012-09-13T01:42:32.786ZLudo Van Dunhttps://theosophy.net/profile/LudoVanDun
<p>I'm comming from kabbalah and rosicrusian to theosophy. What I have learnd is that it has to be lived. Only if you bring theosophy alive you get a deeper understanding than studiing the books.</p>
<p>I'm comming from kabbalah and rosicrusian to theosophy. What I have learnd is that it has to be lived. Only if you bring theosophy alive you get a deeper understanding than studiing the books.</p> Dear Joe ,
I quite l…tag:theosophy.net,2012-09-05:3055387:Comment:1151422012-09-05T10:13:09.833ZHari Menonhttps://theosophy.net/profile/HariMenon
<p>Dear Joe ,</p>
<p> I quite like what you have written as always,It is true - one thing is for sure , unlike a personal god or a personal philosophy of the rabble which we are all are well acquainted with (Ourselves having been part of the same till recently ) -we have to approach these Personal Theosophies (or Theosophists whichever way ) with some reverence since it is Experience Based and and in the larger interests of helping more unfortunate brethern - they have knowingly…</p>
<p>Dear Joe ,</p>
<p> I quite like what you have written as always,It is true - one thing is for sure , unlike a personal god or a personal philosophy of the rabble which we are all are well acquainted with (Ourselves having been part of the same till recently ) -we have to approach these Personal Theosophies (or Theosophists whichever way ) with some reverence since it is Experience Based and and in the larger interests of helping more unfortunate brethern - they have knowingly tried to explain the unexplainable . It is not the path taken by each that is of concern and the words that he uses( which is ultimately futile) , but t did they provoke thinking or proper thought in at least one person , We need not subscribe to their theosophy and I do not think they wrote for that - rather the question is have we become better ? Even if one good thought has touched us - we should have the honesty to acknowledge that and hold our silence . Analysis and scrutiny will only yield more knowledge from the writings of such people and who knows ? Maybe to a receptive intellect which has some humility , they will yield the secrets locked up in their words. After all they are torch bearers who have gone before us illuminating patches of the intellect for others to stay and refresh before moving on , not requiring or expecting anything from us. I am not advocating a whole hearted prostration to their Theosophies , Even in the upanishads they say that to a man of self realization that all the vedas are only a bridge and he is no longer concerned with them . They are only like "dirt between his fingernails''. and they serve no further useful purpose to him .- Thats some realization to be aimed for !!</p>
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<p> </p> Thank you Joe, Ive been study…tag:theosophy.net,2012-09-04:3055387:Comment:1149762012-09-04T04:43:22.508ZRobert Williamshttps://theosophy.net/profile/RobertWilliams
<p>Thank you Joe, Ive been studying "Theosophy"(various theosophies) for about 6 years and I still find myself confused sometimes. I have recently been studying Qabalah, the study of this tends to clarify a great many things I didnt understand before. The words you have given here had the same effect. I look forward to being more active on the site as I am sure there is a great deal I can learn from this community.</p>
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<p>Thank you Joe, Ive been studying "Theosophy"(various theosophies) for about 6 years and I still find myself confused sometimes. I have recently been studying Qabalah, the study of this tends to clarify a great many things I didnt understand before. The words you have given here had the same effect. I look forward to being more active on the site as I am sure there is a great deal I can learn from this community.</p>
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Thank yo…tag:theosophy.net,2012-08-28:3055387:Comment:1145832012-08-28T07:33:24.084ZHari Menonhttps://theosophy.net/profile/HariMenon
<p>Dear Joe ,</p>
<p> Thank you , very well put and it does help a lot to put some basic ideas in proper clarity , it has helped me get my thoughts a bit more organized -thank you once again , over a period of time it helps when someone takes us back to the basics and helps ''Trim the fat '' that has collected on our concepts.</p>
<p>Dear Joe ,</p>
<p> Thank you , very well put and it does help a lot to put some basic ideas in proper clarity , it has helped me get my thoughts a bit more organized -thank you once again , over a period of time it helps when someone takes us back to the basics and helps ''Trim the fat '' that has collected on our concepts.</p> Hi, friends!
Good questions…tag:theosophy.net,2012-05-07:3055387:Comment:1117002012-05-07T14:33:48.318ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> Good questions, Joe! I'll start with the last one: I dare say that traditional answer in both Catholic and Muslim traditions is that there are angels who take note and will be witnesses in the day of judgement, the day in which the inside will be known.</p>
<p> It may be noted that I have not quoted the traditional Catholic or Muslim words but tried to convey the idea in descriptive terms. </p>
<p> Then, in strictly human terms, the ones I prefer, I can only determine…</p>
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> Good questions, Joe! I'll start with the last one: I dare say that traditional answer in both Catholic and Muslim traditions is that there are angels who take note and will be witnesses in the day of judgement, the day in which the inside will be known.</p>
<p> It may be noted that I have not quoted the traditional Catholic or Muslim words but tried to convey the idea in descriptive terms. </p>
<p> Then, in strictly human terms, the ones I prefer, I can only determine if one fellow is or not, what or how, where or when, practicing: me. I am the only one who is responsible for my practice, and I'm aware that any kind of true spiritual practice means a real extra effort, it means that ordinary troubles and struggles of life are not enough for me, that I'm asking for more. </p>
<p> Becoming afraid of practice is not something that happens in an all-or-nothing way, what usually happens is that the core principles are not applied as they are, but softened, no, let's be civil, "adapted to the situation, to the facts", so the chance of transformation is instantly lost. Yet, there is a facade to keep tidy and nice, an organization to keep on going, so leaders take great interest in the decorative arts while they'll never admit they have lost the knowledge of architecture. They are afraid to say "I don't know. I don't know any more, and I'm not even totally sure of what I've told you". Then, I am afraid of being in such unsafe buildings, so I tend to practice in open spaces.</p>
<p> ·If I am honest with my practice, then I have a chance to recognize those who do the same. </p>
<p> But I don't think we can realistically find refuge in any of the historical traditions today, because we are in a different situation. ( I mean us who use to spend time in this kind of websites). I cannot say I belong to the same religious tradition than my elders. Because too much questioning is poisonous to any tradition, and I am stubborn on that I am the one who decides how much is too much, the consequence is that I am out of the tradition of my elders.</p>
<p> Picking any useful idea or whatever anywhere because I'm at need (internal need, need to understand, mostly) it's not the situation of someone who belongs to a definite tradition. If that one does not know where to look, at last he knows where he should look at.</p>
<p> Maybe in a collective effort we can achieve a kind of synthesis of traditional elements (ideas & practices) with reflexive scientific methods that may be useful to those who need something like "theosophy" today. </p>
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<p> </p> One of the good examples to u…tag:theosophy.net,2012-05-07:3055387:Comment:1118102012-05-07T11:35:45.182ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<p>One of the good examples to understand how principle, process and the product are all described using single word is to look at the description of FOHAT.</p>
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Fohat as Entity:</span></strong></p>
<p>Then Svâbhâvat sends <b>Fohat</b> to harden the atoms...<strong><em>Stanza 3.12</em></strong></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Fohat as Principle</strong></span></p>
<p>“ This something (“that” which links…</p>
<p>One of the good examples to understand how principle, process and the product are all described using single word is to look at the description of FOHAT.</p>
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Fohat as Entity:</span></strong></p>
<p>Then Svâbhâvat sends <b>Fohat</b> to harden the atoms...<strong><em>Stanza 3.12</em></strong></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Fohat as Principle</strong></span></p>
<p>“ This something (“that” which links spirit to matter, subject to object), at present unknown to Western speculation, is called by the occultists <b>Fohat</b>. It is the “bridge” by which the “Ideas” existing in the “Divine Thought” are impressed on Cosmic substance as the “laws of Nature”. <b>Fohat</b> is thus the dynamic energy of Cosmic Ideation ; or, regarded from the other side, it is the intelligent medium, the guiding power of all manifestation, the “Thought Divine” transmitted and made manifest through the Dhyan Chohans , the Architects of the visible World. <em><strong>SD Vol. 1 Proem pp16</strong>.</em></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Fohat as Process</strong></span></p>
<p>The Dzyu becomes <b>Fohat</b>, the swift son of the Divine sons whose sons are the Lipika, runs circular errands.<strong><em>Stanza 5.2</em></strong></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Fohat as Product</strong></span></p>
<p>By the power of the Mother of Mercy and Knowledge – Kwan-Yin – the “triple” of Kwan-Shai-Yin, residing in Kwan-yin-Tien, <b>Fohat</b>, the Breath of their Progeny, the Son of the Sons, having called forth, from the lower abyss, the illusive form of Sien-Tchang, and the Seven Element... <strong><em>Stanza 6.1</em></strong></p>
<p>Since the author tells us that these words are representation of ideas contained in ideograms, it would be natural to presume that the graphics contained in the ideograms would not make such distinction, as those would show the process from the beginning to the end. So why the transmitter will create the confusion, unless the idea has not been grasped in sufficient depth. Or, perhaps deliberately. Who knows?</p>
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<p><em><br/></em></p> Hi, friends!
As so often ha…tag:theosophy.net,2012-05-06:3055387:Comment:1116942012-05-06T20:08:26.117ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> As so often happens, I do disagree, Anand: teachings become dogmas when people are afraid to practice them. Absence of clarity is a property of language, we have to live with it. Philosophers trying to build an exact language have met the same success than HPB and Mahatmas tryng to make themselves understood hehehehehe.</p>
<p> Have fun today, friends!!! </p>
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> As so often happens, I do disagree, Anand: teachings become dogmas when people are afraid to practice them. Absence of clarity is a property of language, we have to live with it. Philosophers trying to build an exact language have met the same success than HPB and Mahatmas tryng to make themselves understood hehehehehe.</p>
<p> Have fun today, friends!!! </p> One of the distinctive featur…tag:theosophy.net,2012-05-06:3055387:Comment:1114902012-05-06T04:06:41.039ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<p>One of the distinctive feature of the TS brand of theosophy (as taught by Blavatsky and Mahatmas) is that they use one word theosophy to describe the Principles, Processes and the Products. In absence of such clarity, it is natural that thought would be converted into dogma. They themselves were aware of this and tried to warn repeatedly yet did not succeed because of this inherent defect.</p>
<p>So, would it be fair to think that Traditional Theosophy only describes the processes? And since…</p>
<p>One of the distinctive feature of the TS brand of theosophy (as taught by Blavatsky and Mahatmas) is that they use one word theosophy to describe the Principles, Processes and the Products. In absence of such clarity, it is natural that thought would be converted into dogma. They themselves were aware of this and tried to warn repeatedly yet did not succeed because of this inherent defect.</p>
<p>So, would it be fair to think that Traditional Theosophy only describes the processes? And since different people may arrive at different results using the sane initial staring point, each of those will be a valid result rather than one standard result?</p>