The Truth - Theosophy.Net2024-03-29T05:29:30Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/the-truth?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A140730&feed=yes&xn_auth=noin my view, I think the ignor…tag:theosophy.net,2015-02-02:3055387:Comment:1407502015-02-02T04:05:00.818ZMark Kusekhttps://theosophy.net/profile/MarkKusek165
<p>in my view, I think the ignorance behind the perception that we are selves, living lives, among other living beings, living other lives is a causative factor for misperception, considered from a human vantage.</p>
<p>The universe as a manifestation of a lie sounds like something akin to the Hindu & Buddhist notions of maya.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_</a>(illusion)</p>
<p>in my view, I think the ignorance behind the perception that we are selves, living lives, among other living beings, living other lives is a causative factor for misperception, considered from a human vantage.</p>
<p>The universe as a manifestation of a lie sounds like something akin to the Hindu & Buddhist notions of maya.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_</a>(illusion)</p> I did not mean to suggest tha…tag:theosophy.net,2015-02-02:3055387:Comment:1406372015-02-02T00:21:38.854ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>I did not mean to suggest that. The unity is still there. It was/is the perception of that unity that changed to create the second potential that released the energy that resulted in our existence.Our universe, and us, are the manifestations of a lie (in essence).</p>
<p>I did not mean to suggest that. The unity is still there. It was/is the perception of that unity that changed to create the second potential that released the energy that resulted in our existence.Our universe, and us, are the manifestations of a lie (in essence).</p> A big bang doesn't have to me…tag:theosophy.net,2015-02-01:3055387:Comment:1407492015-02-01T23:17:18.732ZMark Kusekhttps://theosophy.net/profile/MarkKusek165
<p>A big bang doesn't have to mean that unity went anywhere else.</p>
<p>A big bang doesn't have to mean that unity went anywhere else.</p> Lets talk about pizza. Obviou…tag:theosophy.net,2015-02-01:3055387:Comment:1406362015-02-01T15:17:05.502ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>Lets talk about pizza. Obviously there are many many different pizza's. Pizza can be made this way or that, can have these ingredients or those. Over time, and through different perspectives (individual likes or dislikes) a pizza made today may not look or taste much like that original first pizza, but, any pizza, every pizza still shares that original idea that manifested the first pizza.</p>
<p>so if you wanted to recognize the truth of pizza, you would look at all of them (despite there…</p>
<p>Lets talk about pizza. Obviously there are many many different pizza's. Pizza can be made this way or that, can have these ingredients or those. Over time, and through different perspectives (individual likes or dislikes) a pizza made today may not look or taste much like that original first pizza, but, any pizza, every pizza still shares that original idea that manifested the first pizza.</p>
<p>so if you wanted to recognize the truth of pizza, you would look at all of them (despite there obvious differences) and find that "pattern" that they all share.</p>
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<p>The same holds true for us. Despite our obvious differences, all of us (if possible) could trace our own individual evolution back through time. All the differences that we think make us individuals would fall away, Different skin color represents different environments. Darker skin color only says that somewhere in the past their ancestors were exposed to more sun, so the skin darkened. at some point we all had the same color skin.</p>
<p>Every difference between us is the same, at some point, all of our histories (or evolution) joins together to be the same.</p>
<p>Here is the interesting part.</p>
<p>If your looking for the truth of life, then you have to consider all life. At some point the tree in your front yard shares the same history as you or me.</p>
<p>If you consider the entire universe and everything in it. Any part of it shares the same history at some point. All of it has the same origin. All differences between myself and a pile of dog crap in the yard fall away, and at some point share the same linage.</p>
<p>It is hard to accept, but it is true (in my opinion).</p>
<p>So the truth of this universe has evolved into all the differences we see. That truth exist in everything. That truth binds us all together, making everything one thing. The differences are only differences in expression.</p>
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<p>The implications of this concept are staggering. It says that before the "big bang" all was one. The energy of the big bang came from the potential of the original truth, and it's interaction of a perceived difference.</p>
<p><br/>So our science can not find truth. our science only describes the original "lie" (if you will).</p>
<p>Please excuse all references to my, their, your (or anything of the like), it is impossible to describe without these references.</p> OK, but how do you propose th…tag:theosophy.net,2015-02-01:3055387:Comment:1408462015-02-01T05:32:04.460ZMark Kusekhttps://theosophy.net/profile/MarkKusek165
<p>OK, but how do you propose that we all feel the "same part" of "the truth?" </p>
<p>Does "the truth" have parts?</p>
<p>Maybe each differently distinquishable thing is a part of the truth.</p>
<p>Likewise, maybe each apparent individual is also a part of "the truth.</p>
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<p>Parts feeling other parts.</p>
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<p>The truth feeling itself.</p>
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<p>Maybe, just like we might assume that there is one truth, there is really only one individual, and we all think we are…</p>
<p>OK, but how do you propose that we all feel the "same part" of "the truth?" </p>
<p>Does "the truth" have parts?</p>
<p>Maybe each differently distinquishable thing is a part of the truth.</p>
<p>Likewise, maybe each apparent individual is also a part of "the truth.</p>
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<p>Parts feeling other parts.</p>
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<p>The truth feeling itself.</p>
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<p>Maybe, just like we might assume that there is one truth, there is really only one individual, and we all think we are it.</p>
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<p>Maybe we get confused about that when we look at one another or identify ourselves separately from others, or are given different names and histories.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p> just closer to reality as it…tag:theosophy.net,2015-01-27:3055387:Comment:1407422015-01-27T19:16:01.386ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>just closer to reality as it is, when compared to the average person. As Below - So Above.</p>
<p>just closer to reality as it is, when compared to the average person. As Below - So Above.</p> Interesting.
Would that mean…tag:theosophy.net,2015-01-27:3055387:Comment:1408392015-01-27T19:10:32.442ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>Would that mean they were closer to reality as it really, really is, and farther from the pseudo reality we perceive?</p>
<p>Just a question.</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>Would that mean they were closer to reality as it really, really is, and farther from the pseudo reality we perceive?</p>
<p>Just a question.</p> anyone who can control and pr…tag:theosophy.net,2015-01-27:3055387:Comment:1407412015-01-27T19:00:10.462ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>anyone who can control and predict things from the mind "only" must, in general, be closer to reality than those who can't. I meant nothing too profound here.</p>
<p>anyone who can control and predict things from the mind "only" must, in general, be closer to reality than those who can't. I meant nothing too profound here.</p> I too liked the blind men and…tag:theosophy.net,2015-01-27:3055387:Comment:1407402015-01-27T18:01:14.030ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>I too liked the blind men and the elephant, my problem with it was that people failed to realize the importance of the concept that the blind men were all touching the same thing. The individuality of the different parts remained, leaving the idea of separation intact.</p>
<p>It would be more accurate (in my opinion of course) if the blind men all felt the same part, and gave different descriptions.</p>
<p>I too liked the blind men and the elephant, my problem with it was that people failed to realize the importance of the concept that the blind men were all touching the same thing. The individuality of the different parts remained, leaving the idea of separation intact.</p>
<p>It would be more accurate (in my opinion of course) if the blind men all felt the same part, and gave different descriptions.</p> In my understanding it would…tag:theosophy.net,2015-01-27:3055387:Comment:1408382015-01-27T17:50:48.750ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>In my understanding it would be slightly different though (no surprise there).</p>
<p>some things we are only vaguely aware of, because they transcend feeling.</p>
<p>some things we feel transcend thought</p>
<p>some things we think transcend words</p>
<p>The only way to communicate such things is through "the truth" that exist within all of us. All things can be described through it.</p>
<p>In my understanding it would be slightly different though (no surprise there).</p>
<p>some things we are only vaguely aware of, because they transcend feeling.</p>
<p>some things we feel transcend thought</p>
<p>some things we think transcend words</p>
<p>The only way to communicate such things is through "the truth" that exist within all of us. All things can be described through it.</p>