The Experiential Dilemma - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T12:46:01Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/the-experiential-dilemma?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A123902&feed=yes&xn_auth=no why are you so often begging…tag:theosophy.net,2013-08-25:3055387:Comment:1294162013-08-25T12:39:47.142ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> why are you so often begging for security?</p>
<p> why are you so often begging for security?</p> Thanks Joe. Rumi supports you…tag:theosophy.net,2013-07-05:3055387:Comment:1274882013-07-05T13:41:34.853ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<p>Thanks Joe. Rumi supports you.</p>
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<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>There are thousands of wines</strong></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>that can take over our minds.</strong></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>Don't think all ecstasies are the same.</strong></div>
<p>Thanks Joe. Rumi supports you.</p>
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<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>There are thousands of wines</strong></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>that can take over our minds.</strong></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>Don't think all ecstasies are the same.</strong></div> Just found this beautiful poe…tag:theosophy.net,2013-07-05:3055387:Comment:1274872013-07-05T12:21:14.710ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<p>Just found this beautiful poetry by the great mystic poet Rumi:</p>
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<p>THE MANY WINES</p>
<div style="text-align: left;">God has given us a dark wine so potent</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">that, we leave the two worlds.</div>
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<div style="text-align: left;">God made Majnun love Layla so much</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">that just her dog would cause confusion in him.…</div>
<p>Just found this beautiful poetry by the great mystic poet Rumi:</p>
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<p>THE MANY WINES</p>
<div style="text-align: left;">God has given us a dark wine so potent</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">that, we leave the two worlds.</div>
<div style="text-align: left;"></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">God made Majnun love Layla so much</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">that just her dog would cause confusion in him.</div>
<div style="text-align: left;"></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>There are thousands of wines</strong></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>that can take over our minds.</strong></div>
<div style="text-align: left;"></div>
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<div style="text-align: left;"><strong>Don't think all ecstasies are the same.</strong></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">Jesus was lost in his love for God.</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">His donkey was drunk with barley.</div>
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<div style="text-align: left;">Every object, every being,</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">is a jar full of delight.</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">Be a connoisseur, and <strong>taste with caution.</strong></div>
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<div style="text-align: left;">Any wine will get you high.</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">Judge like a king, and choose the purest,</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">not the ones adulterated with fear,</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">or some urgency about "what's needed."</div>
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<div style="text-align: left;">Drink the wine that moves you</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">as a camel moves when it's been untied,</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">and is just ambling about.</div> This is assuming that Truth i…tag:theosophy.net,2013-05-05:3055387:Comment:1246302013-05-05T12:54:23.490ZJeffrey Smarthttps://theosophy.net/profile/JeffreySmart
<p>This is assuming that Truth isn't relative. I would say that the only thing any of us could really agree upon is that there is Divinity in one form or another from which we arise and through which we have our being. Beyond that I think truth becomes relative.</p>
<p>This is assuming that Truth isn't relative. I would say that the only thing any of us could really agree upon is that there is Divinity in one form or another from which we arise and through which we have our being. Beyond that I think truth becomes relative.</p> Very good. It is true that t…tag:theosophy.net,2013-05-05:3055387:Comment:1244552013-05-05T12:51:27.544ZJeffrey Smarthttps://theosophy.net/profile/JeffreySmart
<p>Very good. It is true that the world's perception of experiences has changed. We no longer believe that people who are mentally ill are possessed by demons (at least most of us don't). Most then agree on this, but of course we do not <span style="text-decoration: underline;">really</span> know what is actually true.</p>
<p>Very good. It is true that the world's perception of experiences has changed. We no longer believe that people who are mentally ill are possessed by demons (at least most of us don't). Most then agree on this, but of course we do not <span style="text-decoration: underline;">really</span> know what is actually true.</p> If this is true (here is that…tag:theosophy.net,2013-05-05:3055387:Comment:1246292013-05-05T12:47:22.171ZJeffrey Smarthttps://theosophy.net/profile/JeffreySmart
<p>If this is true (here is that "Truth" word again) then wouldn't we all have the same experiences, though perceived differently. In the case of someone having a hallucination I am not having their experience at all. Yet, they are having an experience. Perhaps some experiences are private.</p>
<p>If this is true (here is that "Truth" word again) then wouldn't we all have the same experiences, though perceived differently. In the case of someone having a hallucination I am not having their experience at all. Yet, they are having an experience. Perhaps some experiences are private.</p> Actually when the question po…tag:theosophy.net,2013-05-05:3055387:Comment:1246282013-05-05T12:44:08.619ZJeffrey Smarthttps://theosophy.net/profile/JeffreySmart
<p>Actually when the question popped up in my mind the exchange between Christ and Pilate did cross my mind also...Interesting no? But yes, it was not my intention to bring <span style="text-decoration: underline;">that</span> debate back to life. I was think of truth in more general terms. </p>
<p>Actually when the question popped up in my mind the exchange between Christ and Pilate did cross my mind also...Interesting no? But yes, it was not my intention to bring <span style="text-decoration: underline;">that</span> debate back to life. I was think of truth in more general terms. </p> Thanks Jeffery. Think of a fe…tag:theosophy.net,2013-05-05:3055387:Comment:1245382013-05-05T01:21:33.651ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<p>Thanks Jeffery. Think of a few hundred years back and the experience you narrate could have been interpreted as divine revelations instead of a mental disorder.</p>
<p>And the point you make is very revealing. We can agree on whether something is true or not. We may not know if it is <em>actually true.</em></p>
<p>Thanks Jeffery. Think of a few hundred years back and the experience you narrate could have been interpreted as divine revelations instead of a mental disorder.</p>
<p>And the point you make is very revealing. We can agree on whether something is true or not. We may not know if it is <em>actually true.</em></p> I agree with you James. But I…tag:theosophy.net,2013-05-05:3055387:Comment:1246142013-05-05T00:15:39.061ZSeth Edwardshttps://theosophy.net/profile/SethEdwards
<p>I agree with you James. But I notice you've said "<em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">thinking</span></em> truth is transpersonal," because how could we ever <em>prove</em> that its the same for all? </p>
<p>I agree with you James. But I notice you've said "<em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">thinking</span></em> truth is transpersonal," because how could we ever <em>prove</em> that its the same for all? </p> AMEN!! What is truth? We co…tag:theosophy.net,2013-05-04:3055387:Comment:1244422013-05-04T21:13:56.986ZJeffrey Smarthttps://theosophy.net/profile/JeffreySmart
<p>AMEN!! What is truth? We could agrue this for years. A lovely quote, Jessica.</p>
<p>AMEN!! What is truth? We could agrue this for years. A lovely quote, Jessica.</p>