SOULS - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T11:43:20Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/souls?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A104941&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks David. That materialis…tag:theosophy.net,2012-01-14:3055387:Comment:1049412012-01-14T00:54:03.399ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<p>Thanks David. That materialist school in India existed and was respected only goes to show how freedom of thought helped develop those different knowledge systems.</p>
<p>I believe, UG Krishnamurti explained his views on "Body is immortal". I believe he tied the statement to the DNA. Even if the body gets cremated, and the ashes dispersed, some organism will consume the DNA from those ash particles. And whether that DNA goes into a fish in the river or into a grain of wheat, it will come…</p>
<p>Thanks David. That materialist school in India existed and was respected only goes to show how freedom of thought helped develop those different knowledge systems.</p>
<p>I believe, UG Krishnamurti explained his views on "Body is immortal". I believe he tied the statement to the DNA. Even if the body gets cremated, and the ashes dispersed, some organism will consume the DNA from those ash particles. And whether that DNA goes into a fish in the river or into a grain of wheat, it will come back to another human at some point in time. Soon another human with the previous body will be born.</p>
<p>Although directly in conflict with the famous teaching of Bhagvad-Gita, I believe it should be investigated. I had no clue that it could be linked to Carvaka school.I will try to learn about it from the references you have so kindly provided.</p> Buddhists would like the firs…tag:theosophy.net,2012-01-13:3055387:Comment:1048402012-01-13T15:35:47.921ZDavid Reiglehttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidReigle
<p>Buddhists would like the first part of this statement, "There is no soul, no atman," but not the second part, "only the body, and the body is immortal."</p>
<p>Lokayatas, also called Charvakas, would like the first part of this statement and part of the second part of this statement, "only the body," but not the rest, "and the body is immortal." They deny the existence of a soul, and say that there is only the perishable body. They are the so-called materialist school of ancient India, and…</p>
<p>Buddhists would like the first part of this statement, "There is no soul, no atman," but not the second part, "only the body, and the body is immortal."</p>
<p>Lokayatas, also called Charvakas, would like the first part of this statement and part of the second part of this statement, "only the body," but not the rest, "and the body is immortal." They deny the existence of a soul, and say that there is only the perishable body. They are the so-called materialist school of ancient India, and no longer exist as such. I say "as such," because their philosophy is much like that of many people in the modern world today. For this reason, their teachings have attracted interest among some scholars. Their teachings have been reconstructed from critiques of their position by the other ancient schools of Indian philosophy. Two major books on this are:</p>
<p>Lokayata: A Study in Ancient Indian Materialism, by Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya. New Delhi: People's Publishing House, 1959.</p>
<p>Carvaka/Lokayata: An Anthology of Source Materials and Some Recent Studies, by Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya. New Delhi, 1990.</p>
<p>Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya has also written a smaller book on this: In Defence of Materialism in Ancient India: A Study in Carvaka/Lokayata, 1989. Like his first book, this book was also published by the People's Publishing House, a publisher of books for the Communist Party in India. According to the author, the Lokayata or Carvaka philosophy harmonizes with that of Communism.</p>
<p>Its own texts were all thought to be lost. A brief Brihaspati-sutra was discovered in the early 1900s and at first thought to be a lost text of the Lokayata/Carvaka school. But this has been doubted. Then a text called the Tattvopaplavasimha surfaced, which is regarded by some as giving the views of this school. At least, it gives similar views, but views that could also be simply those of a cynic who was not part of this school. This text has been translated into English by Eli Franco as Perception, Knowledge, and Disbelief: A Study of Jayarasi's Scepticism, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 1994.</p>
<p>From what can be gleaned about the Lokayatas or Charvakas, we can say that for this defunct but perhaps resurrected school, there is no soul.</p> I think that Alice A. Bailey…tag:theosophy.net,2012-01-13:3055387:Comment:1048382012-01-13T13:59:58.498ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> I think that Alice A. Bailey's books provide really useful information on this subject, in theory and practice, especially the first two volumes of "A treatise on the Seven Rays" ,which deal with esoteric psychology. These books can be freely downloaded from this site: <a href="http://www.bailey.it/">www.bailey.it</a> The main language of the web is Italian, so you must click on "Testi Bailey in inglese" in a box at the upper left hand of the screen. Yes, they're difficult stuff, but in…</p>
<p> I think that Alice A. Bailey's books provide really useful information on this subject, in theory and practice, especially the first two volumes of "A treatise on the Seven Rays" ,which deal with esoteric psychology. These books can be freely downloaded from this site: <a href="http://www.bailey.it/">www.bailey.it</a> The main language of the web is Italian, so you must click on "Testi Bailey in inglese" in a box at the upper left hand of the screen. Yes, they're difficult stuff, but in my opinion, it's worth the effort.</p>
<p> Have fun today, people!!! :-)</p> Thanks for the link, Anand!!…tag:theosophy.net,2012-01-13:3055387:Comment:1048352012-01-13T13:44:58.427ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Thanks for the link, Anand!!! I've read this book with pleasure!!! :-) (I'm not commenting because the rules of this thread don't allow it ;-)</p>
<p> Thanks for the link, Anand!!! I've read this book with pleasure!!! :-) (I'm not commenting because the rules of this thread don't allow it ;-)</p> There is a very interesting,…tag:theosophy.net,2012-01-11:3055387:Comment:1043582012-01-11T07:24:46.475ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<p>There is a very interesting, some may find anti-theosophical sentence on page 19 of the book <a href="http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/mukund-rao/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20UG.reader.pdf" target="_blank">'A Life Sketch of UG Krishnamurti',</a> who was a contemporary of J Krishnamurti and like him was also a lecturer for the Theosophical Society for a while:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no soul, no atman, only the body, and the body is immortal. It is an acausal state of ‘not-knowing’, of…</p>
</blockquote>
<p>There is a very interesting, some may find anti-theosophical sentence on page 19 of the book <a href="http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/mukund-rao/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20UG.reader.pdf" target="_blank">'A Life Sketch of UG Krishnamurti',</a> who was a contemporary of J Krishnamurti and like him was also a lecturer for the Theosophical Society for a while:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no soul, no atman, only the body, and the body is immortal. It is an acausal state of ‘not-knowing’, of wonder.</p>
</blockquote>