Social environment activates genes - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T22:42:50Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/social-environment-activates-genes?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A134991&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=nomaybe start a new topic? "Soc…tag:theosophy.net,2014-03-01:3055387:Comment:1349912014-03-01T21:11:44.027ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>maybe start a new topic? "Social Influence on Genetics & Evolution" ? just a thought.</p>
<p>maybe start a new topic? "Social Influence on Genetics & Evolution" ? just a thought.</p> Seth,
I have read through you…tag:theosophy.net,2014-03-01:3055387:Comment:1349902014-03-01T14:12:13.560ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>Seth,</p>
<p>I have read through your reply at least 10 times looking for the right words to respond. As far as I am concerned there is no higher compliment than to acknowledge the opening of a potentially new perception. Thank you, you made my day.</p>
<p>"That whole idea seems kind of revolutionary to me", revolutionary is getting closer. My goal would be evolutionary. </p>
<p>Seth,</p>
<p>I have read through your reply at least 10 times looking for the right words to respond. As far as I am concerned there is no higher compliment than to acknowledge the opening of a potentially new perception. Thank you, you made my day.</p>
<p>"That whole idea seems kind of revolutionary to me", revolutionary is getting closer. My goal would be evolutionary. </p> I would imagine that we start…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-28:3055387:Comment:1350222014-02-28T02:58:06.926ZSeth Edwardshttps://theosophy.net/profile/SethEdwards
<blockquote><p><span>I would imagine that we start with a basic set of instructions, (arms go there, toes go there), but even that would have been influenced by the environment in those before us.</span></p>
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<p>That didn't even cross my mind- that our ancestors themselves would have been subject to this gene changing, and thus our basic inherited genes themselves could be the product of this process. That whole idea seems kind of revolutionary to me.</p>
<p>And you may be onto…</p>
<blockquote><p><span>I would imagine that we start with a basic set of instructions, (arms go there, toes go there), but even that would have been influenced by the environment in those before us.</span></p>
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<p>That didn't even cross my mind- that our ancestors themselves would have been subject to this gene changing, and thus our basic inherited genes themselves could be the product of this process. That whole idea seems kind of revolutionary to me.</p>
<p>And you may be onto something with your line of thought on the soul and gaining control. Definitely some interesting ideas all the way around.</p> I think we all are guessing.…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-26:3055387:Comment:1350172014-02-26T09:27:58.770ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I think we all are guessing. <g></p>
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<p>The speed is apparently variable depending up on several factors unknown. Certainly the cichlids had even physical change (radical) after just a few minutes. Mental changes may be more flexible or not genetic at all (or maybe are genetic).</p>
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<p>Some groups have their own megachurches with schools, gyms etc. where a person can be raised in a very tight environment. They may have a lot of time to change. Again it may not be…</p>
<p>I think we all are guessing. <g></p>
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<p>The speed is apparently variable depending up on several factors unknown. Certainly the cichlids had even physical change (radical) after just a few minutes. Mental changes may be more flexible or not genetic at all (or maybe are genetic).</p>
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<p>Some groups have their own megachurches with schools, gyms etc. where a person can be raised in a very tight environment. They may have a lot of time to change. Again it may not be genetic changes. I do not know, It would explain the headset though. Fixed in concrete, almost.</p>
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<p>The genetic changes seem to be only activating the "junk genes" that we have in our genetic code per individual. The number of "junk genes: is very high compared to ones we are using. The possibilities seem limited to those genes per individual. The stronger the environment, they may act more quickly.</p>
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<p>we are all guessing. The data is not there yet.</p> I would only be guessing as I…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-26:3055387:Comment:1349842014-02-26T06:26:38.190ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>I would only be guessing as I have no education in this kind of thing.</p>
<p>1) I would think it took longer than that. The way I see it, we create the environment first within ourselves, we support the inward environment in our interactions ( this is like an outward pressure, we are creators) and try to build that environment around us. When the inward environment begins to emerge in our surrounding environment it becomes an external influence (inward pressure), and the inward pressure is…</p>
<p>I would only be guessing as I have no education in this kind of thing.</p>
<p>1) I would think it took longer than that. The way I see it, we create the environment first within ourselves, we support the inward environment in our interactions ( this is like an outward pressure, we are creators) and try to build that environment around us. When the inward environment begins to emerge in our surrounding environment it becomes an external influence (inward pressure), and the inward pressure is what alters our physical bodies. So I don''t think it would be a genetic pattern in a single lifetime time frame, I see it more along the lines of "birds of a feather flock together".</p>
<p>2) My control theory fits here. I think Patty Hurst was put in an environment where capitulation gave her some sense of control, the more she capitulated the safer she was. I think that avenues of outside help were cut off long enough that she quit expecting them to help ( outside help was undependable at best) so she had to adapt her actions to the environment.</p>
<p></p> If you follow the implication…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-24:3055387:Comment:1349792014-02-24T01:30:18.601ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>If you follow the implications of what this article indicates, it would be all of it. I would imagine that we start with a basic set of instructions, (arms go there, toes go there), but even that would have been influenced by the environment in those before us.</p>
<p>They only aspect of us that may (may indicating choice) obtain a state of not being influenced, would be our soul. Isn't that what brings us all here in the first place? Trying to gain an understanding of sufficient depth to…</p>
<p>If you follow the implications of what this article indicates, it would be all of it. I would imagine that we start with a basic set of instructions, (arms go there, toes go there), but even that would have been influenced by the environment in those before us.</p>
<p>They only aspect of us that may (may indicating choice) obtain a state of not being influenced, would be our soul. Isn't that what brings us all here in the first place? Trying to gain an understanding of sufficient depth to obtain that state.</p>
<p>My apologies, (I can't help this), but doesn't this fall inline with gaining some aspect of control of our future?</p> I wonder how much our physica…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-23:3055387:Comment:1351092014-02-23T20:30:54.091ZSeth Edwardshttps://theosophy.net/profile/SethEdwards
<p>I wonder how much our physical appearance really is affected by this. When you look at a new born baby, they all (racial differences aside) pretty much look the same. A few experiments with biologically identical twins raised in radically different environments should be able to gauge just how much we are altered by our environments in this respect though.</p>
<p>I wonder how much our physical appearance really is affected by this. When you look at a new born baby, they all (racial differences aside) pretty much look the same. A few experiments with biologically identical twins raised in radically different environments should be able to gauge just how much we are altered by our environments in this respect though.</p> Great! love the article! (sca…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-23:3055387:Comment:1350122014-02-23T11:55:53.278ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Great! love the article! (scary thoughts come to mind though. I added another post in this thread)</p>
<p>Great! love the article! (scary thoughts come to mind though. I added another post in this thread)</p> This may help to explain the…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-23:3055387:Comment:1348052014-02-23T11:54:10.857ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>This may help to explain the root of the discussion: Got My Belief! Now Dig in and Fight or Flight</p>
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<p>1) people hanging around one type of thinking and behavior may have developed a genetic preference and reaction to a specific environment they are in so they all pick up that same gene expression which has the response we noticed.</p>
<p>2) similar with terrorist leagues and the effect where hanging out with the kidnappers may bring you into alignment with their social…</p>
<p>This may help to explain the root of the discussion: Got My Belief! Now Dig in and Fight or Flight</p>
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<p>1) people hanging around one type of thinking and behavior may have developed a genetic preference and reaction to a specific environment they are in so they all pick up that same gene expression which has the response we noticed.</p>
<p>2) similar with terrorist leagues and the effect where hanging out with the kidnappers may bring you into alignment with their social environment. I was think especially thinking of the famous case of Patty Hearst.</p>
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<p>Twin studies are sometimes divergent. sure explains that one.</p> Hi guys, I found that article…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-22:3055387:Comment:1350112014-02-22T21:03:27.051ZPuzzleSolverhttps://theosophy.net/profile/PuzzleSolver
<p>Hi guys, I found that article about the bees... interestingly enough it does mention this run too... so it looks like it's a great companion article to go along with Johns first one... it's a bit longer of course (a good morning read or late evening) but the finds are pretty awesome how environment and societal changes well... make changes lol</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/the-social-life-of-genes-64616/" target="_blank">PS: Science of Society - The…</a></p>
<p>Hi guys, I found that article about the bees... interestingly enough it does mention this run too... so it looks like it's a great companion article to go along with Johns first one... it's a bit longer of course (a good morning read or late evening) but the finds are pretty awesome how environment and societal changes well... make changes lol</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/the-social-life-of-genes-64616/" target="_blank">PS: Science of Society - The Social Life of Genes</a></p>