So if you were the management of the T.S. and you heard about this girasas kingdom invading in the process of forming a 6th race, what would you do? - Theosophy.Net2024-03-29T12:28:54Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/so-if-you-were-the-management?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A10801&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhen I first started talking…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-23:3055387:Comment:117222009-05-23T21:49:28.545ZBrenda Tuckerhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BrendaTucker
When I first started talking to others about this (people who weren't theosophists), I was very interested in the reactions because I honestly didn't know what would happen. (I still don't.) I remember it was about 7 years after I had begun the process of joining discussions and bearing my soul to them that I finally hit this "mark" where I really thought I had seen ALL the different types of reactions there were and there was no use trying to collect reactions anymore. At that point, I was…
When I first started talking to others about this (people who weren't theosophists), I was very interested in the reactions because I honestly didn't know what would happen. (I still don't.) I remember it was about 7 years after I had begun the process of joining discussions and bearing my soul to them that I finally hit this "mark" where I really thought I had seen ALL the different types of reactions there were and there was no use trying to collect reactions anymore. At that point, I was much more confident about what I would be saying, when I would be saying it, and how I would act.<br />
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You are probably where I was during those initial years, thinking that other people might a) need support, b) require healthcare (if their mental health became damaged), c) need solace or counseling, etc.<br />
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I began to include in my discussions the idea that churches could become "fallout shelters" and I still think they could aid quite a bit in the bewilderment that might result from, say, national news coverage.<br />
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I've even claimed that I go to church for my regular "treatments" so that I can be in a group that has similar experiences and that my peers can better judge whether I have a healthy outlook or an unhealthy one and help me to become more "normal."<br />
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Brenda Brenda, you are very thoughtf…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-21:3055387:Comment:113992009-05-21T19:06:57.901ZBill Meredithhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BillMeredith
Brenda, you are very thoughtful.<br />
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I am moved by your expression of the "forced alone-ness." Perhaps I feel it, too, although I might prefer to characterize it as solitude more than alone-ness. Maybe we are all sounding boards for each other and just not hearing all the echos.<br />
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The great poet, Rainer Maria Rilke said, "A merging of two people is an impossibility, and where it seems to exist, it is a hemming-in, a mutual consent that robs one party or both parties of their fullest freedom and…
Brenda, you are very thoughtful.<br />
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I am moved by your expression of the "forced alone-ness." Perhaps I feel it, too, although I might prefer to characterize it as solitude more than alone-ness. Maybe we are all sounding boards for each other and just not hearing all the echos.<br />
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The great poet, Rainer Maria Rilke said, "A merging of two people is an impossibility, and where it seems to exist, it is a hemming-in, a mutual consent that robs one party or both parties of their fullest freedom and development. But once the realization is accepted that even between the closest people infinite distances exist, a marvelous living side-by-side can grow up for them, if they succeed in loving the expanse between them, which gives them the possibility of always seeing each other as a whole and before an immense sky." Rilke is considered one of the German language's greatest 20th century poets. His haunting images focus on the difficulty of communion with the ineffable in this age of disbelief, solitude, and profound anxiety . While Ranier's comments above were addressing the joining of two people in marriage, I think they are applicable to all relationships including the desire to be combined with another living thing or kingdom (god or girasas).<br />
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As to how one can best balance one's nature, it would seem important to understand what it is that one is trying to balance. I have recently added something to my blog "Theosophical Wandering" that helps me with my own understanding. Maybe it will help you, too. <a href="http://theosnet.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3055387%3ABlogPost%3A4710&page=4#comment-3055387_Comment_11391">http://theosnet.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3055387%3ABlogPost%3A4710&page=4#comment-3055387_Comment_11391</a><br />
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I understand your disillusionment with the various groups you have joined. For similar reasons, I tend not to belong to any groups. And yet I belong to them all.<br />
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Peace and prosperity,<br />
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Bill beautiful observation, i was…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-21:3055387:Comment:112822009-05-21T05:09:59.397ZMikhayl Von Riebonhttps://theosophy.net/profile/MikhaylVonRiebon
beautiful observation, i was starting to wonder if it was just me.
beautiful observation, i was starting to wonder if it was just me. And there are people, who kno…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-20:3055387:Comment:112222009-05-20T22:02:22.502ZBrenda Tuckerhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BrendaTucker
And there are people, who knowing full well what girasas is, they're going to head for it. . . . . .<br />
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A rare breed!!
And there are people, who knowing full well what girasas is, they're going to head for it. . . . . .<br />
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A rare breed!! It seems a bit of a cop out,…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-20:3055387:Comment:111982009-05-20T16:40:31.016ZBrenda Tuckerhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BrendaTucker
It seems a bit of a cop out, Alex, when ideas concerning a 6th race are discovered to run and hide your head in the 4th and 2nd subraces. What are we made out of? Ostrich blood?
It seems a bit of a cop out, Alex, when ideas concerning a 6th race are discovered to run and hide your head in the 4th and 2nd subraces. What are we made out of? Ostrich blood? I like how you put it and bel…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-20:3055387:Comment:111962009-05-20T16:37:09.621ZBrenda Tuckerhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BrendaTucker
I like how you put it and believe me I can use all the help I can get putting it in different lights.<br />
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People in general think they are going to enjoy immensely being explorers and making discovery. We learn that very early in life - to regard discovery as paramount not just to our survival, but also to our sense of justice. Every day when we learn, we feel as if we are explorers and even though it has been learned by someone else, it is new to us and a very satisfying accomplishment to acquire…
I like how you put it and believe me I can use all the help I can get putting it in different lights.<br />
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People in general think they are going to enjoy immensely being explorers and making discovery. We learn that very early in life - to regard discovery as paramount not just to our survival, but also to our sense of justice. Every day when we learn, we feel as if we are explorers and even though it has been learned by someone else, it is new to us and a very satisfying accomplishment to acquire knowledge.<br />
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I need you, Bill Meredith, because I have so few sounding boards. My discovery was supposed to make me rich (as if when learning), but it made me impoverished for want of the ideas of others on this same subject.<br />
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I think one of the motivations that sparked this idea (not heard about but produced by logical analysis of what I read) was the "forced alone-ness" that comes when we study theosophy. For example, the fourth initiation, often referred to in regards to Jesus Christ alone on the cross. Or the idea of liberation resulting in "isolated unity" in The Yoga Sutras. Doing without sex can make a person crave something. I wonder if a commitment to that (as well as study and purification) induced the readiness in my mind to invite the thought that another living thing or kingdom could combine with me?<br />
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Do you know how I can best balance my nature when I have to deal with my life in so many different "imagined" situations? When I was a member of a group, I craved that they might come forward to offer me their arm, to promote my new knowledge, to partner with me in spreading this information. When the group continued as always along their path of chosen endeavor, I cringed and mutilated myself for belonging to them. I am always seeking greater exposure. I am hoping that Christianity will find me a valuable member and use their network of communication to consider what I have learned. I also hope that our American government will find it possible to include my work in their classrooms and school system, even newspapers, but I am still sometimes so alone and so I just offer myself to the greater girasas kingdom for their use (in some small way most likely). I guess if we have peace and prosperity that is enough.<br />
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Brenda Brenda, is the girasas kingdo…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-19:3055387:Comment:108982009-05-19T20:58:40.521ZBill Meredithhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BillMeredith
Brenda, is the girasas kingdom invasion a "heard about" i.e. heresay or a "finding" i.e. fact more or less? I suppose the answer depends on who is answering?<br />
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It is quite possible, from my timeful perspective, that you or someone else for that matter has or will become aware of specific information that would be helpful for others of us (me included) to know. That is why I study and contemplate across a broad spectrum of possibilities. It is also possible that the information that you have…
Brenda, is the girasas kingdom invasion a "heard about" i.e. heresay or a "finding" i.e. fact more or less? I suppose the answer depends on who is answering?<br />
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It is quite possible, from my timeful perspective, that you or someone else for that matter has or will become aware of specific information that would be helpful for others of us (me included) to know. That is why I study and contemplate across a broad spectrum of possibilities. It is also possible that the information that you have discovered about the girasas is too far advanced for me to assimilate into my own world-view in any practical way at my current level of understanding.<br />
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From what I have been able to understand about the girasas, I am comfortable with the notion that my Better Self is my girasas link and in those times that I am MY BETTER SELF IN ACTION I am linked with my 6th race Higher Self girasas. This is keeping with my understanding from a timeless perspective that the 6th race is right here, right now in this present moment. Yes, it may take me another 425,000 years to fully realize it, but I believe that the Unity of All (including all the past, present, and futuretime) exists in this present moment whether I can fully experience it or not.<br />
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So to answer your question, yes, I think your request is reasonable from your perspective, however I also think that Ms. Bland's decision concerning your request will have its own reasonableness from her perspective, no matter her decision.<br />
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"We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."<br />
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When we talk about the 6t…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-19:3055387:Comment:108732009-05-19T19:33:10.597ZBrenda Tuckerhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BrendaTucker
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When we talk about the 6th race, we are speaking generally about what is to come. I am talking about a 6th race that is half human and half "next kingdom" but I don't think many people consider what kind of future we are faced with.<br />
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If we take our time and gradually become more and more "blessed" with the girasas life in us, then we will continue to be born and reborn on earth many times before humanity as a whole becomes 6th race. However, if we are discouraged with being born again and…
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When we talk about the 6th race, we are speaking generally about what is to come. I am talking about a 6th race that is half human and half "next kingdom" but I don't think many people consider what kind of future we are faced with.<br />
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If we take our time and gradually become more and more "blessed" with the girasas life in us, then we will continue to be born and reborn on earth many times before humanity as a whole becomes 6th race. However, if we are discouraged with being born again and again, we can get on the path and follow the directions we are given in order to escape rebirth. We can reach liberation from rebirth even now.<br />
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In order to gain liberation, we are guided through the necessary steps: purification, unity, devotion to the Godhead, etc., all advance us toward this goal. Now if I manage to interest a girasas in joining with me prior to the 6th race, it is possible that I will enjoy a life of sorts where it is they are and exist. If they exist ethereally, I will exist ethereally in them. It will be a blissful life of sorts if I experience what they experience. However, I did not expect that the girasas kingdom is descending into form on earth - in much the same way we descended into form by "invading" the animal life that existed here on earth before we got here. It was when we were the second race that we through interactions ascended the animal lifewave off the planet.<br />
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Likewise as the girasas kingdom which is hovering above us now draws closer and closer to us, the humans ascend through knowing them.<br />
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I had always read that there are only 7 kingdoms of nature that follow the rounds in this chain and that the human is the 7th. For this reason, I did not expect a higher kingdom to advance us in the same way we advance the animal kingdom.<br />
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It only works in plan form if we consider that the girasas kingdom descends into us which causes the human and angelic kingdoms ascension off this globe, and necessarily that the girasas kingdom may only develop bodies for themselves in a partial (unrestrictive) manner, whereby they are not confined in forms on this globe after they ascend us, but they continue to live freely within a larger evolutionary scheme that is not restricted to 7 globes and rounds.<br />
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While we don't know whether they have forms on a globe or not, or what their forms are like, we view an ascended master as a human, but are told that they can take this form at will. What must they really be like as a kingdom beyond our own? Isn't that what all that talk…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-19:3055387:Comment:108682009-05-19T19:27:53.153ZKatinka Hesselinkhttps://theosophy.net/profile/KatinkaHesselink
Isn't that what all that talk about being impersonal and not about 'personalities' is all about? that truth is more important than people?
Isn't that what all that talk about being impersonal and not about 'personalities' is all about? that truth is more important than people? Dear Katinka (with a beard in…tag:theosophy.net,2009-05-19:3055387:Comment:108632009-05-19T19:17:29.121ZM. Sufilighthttps://theosophy.net/profile/MSufilight
<b>Dear Katinka (with a beard in the photo?) and friends...</b><br />
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<u>My views are</u>:<br />
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<b>Katinka wrote:</b><br />
"M. Sufilight is a traditional theosophist in that he feels finding the truth is very important - more important than the people finding it."<br />
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<b>M. Sufilight asks:</b><br />
Do I?<br />
Do I not encourage people to find the truth?<br />
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What I am saying is that a given theosophical branch or organisation can in reality NOT sell all the books on the planet in an online Internet Shop or even at their…
<b>Dear Katinka (with a beard in the photo?) and friends...</b><br />
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<u>My views are</u>:<br />
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<b>Katinka wrote:</b><br />
"M. Sufilight is a traditional theosophist in that he feels finding the truth is very important - more important than the people finding it."<br />
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<b>M. Sufilight asks:</b><br />
Do I?<br />
Do I not encourage people to find the truth?<br />
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What I am saying is that a given theosophical branch or organisation can in reality NOT sell all the books on the planet in an online Internet Shop or even at their local branch. And neither can they sell all books claiming to be theosophical in nature. One will have to limit one-self.<br />
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The question was what kind of book-limitations and even teaching-limitation is adviceable and which one is not? - How to end the strifes among the worlds religions, sects and nations - as HPB mentioned in the Key to Theosophy, p. 2-3, as one of the main object of the TS, - and Ammonious Saccas had it also as his object? How to go seek this out - while seeking the truth, and thereby creating that Universal Brotherhood?<br />
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The 6th race in mention is not the Root Race, because that is years to come, although the beginning is in motion. That Race is going to be Ethereal according to HPB.<br />
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<u>Yet the Kingdom in mention if I understand you correctly is something like</u>:<br />
The initiated live in the world, but is not of the world. The Initiated operates in the spiritual organisation, which is needed to him or her at a given time on the three lower levels, so to benefit mankind and the universe. That organisation is not always a non-fanatical theosophical one or even theosophical at all. - Theosophical teachings operates taking time, place, people and circumstances into account. Theosophical teachings are prescribed - and the receiver is not always given that the receiver wants, but seldom instead, what the Seeker spiritual need. The would-be-Seeker wants to learn, but will not when the learning or teaching is offered. Spiritual development takes time. Patience is required of the Seekers as well as of the initiated.<br />
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M. Sufilight