[Re: from facebook] Alice Bailey and Benjamin Creme - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T14:58:49Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/re-from-facebook-alice-bailey?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A7843&feed=yes&xn_auth=no Hi, Daniel!
I liked your co…tag:theosophy.net,2012-04-15:3055387:Comment:1112952012-04-15T13:35:22.967ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, Daniel!</p>
<p> I liked your comment. :-) Yes, both HPB and AAB wrote that the big picture is much more important than the details and yes!!! practical use is the key issue. Practice is what offers a chance to verify or to prove false.</p>
<p> Hi, Daniel!</p>
<p> I liked your comment. :-) Yes, both HPB and AAB wrote that the big picture is much more important than the details and yes!!! practical use is the key issue. Practice is what offers a chance to verify or to prove false.</p> I'm nowhere near as seasoned…tag:theosophy.net,2012-04-15:3055387:Comment:1110632012-04-15T07:08:31.572ZDaniel Nogahttps://theosophy.net/profile/DanielNoga
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<p>I'm nowhere near as seasoned a student of any of the writers mentioned in this discussion as others who have chimed in so far. Just want to get that out there on the table. But there's a reason for that, too, which is relevant to what I'm about to contribute:</p>
<p>I can in no way verify for certain the existence of the Masters--certainly it can't be proven in a scientific way, and on a personal level, I have never had an experience that seems to verify their existence to me. This…</p>
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<p>I'm nowhere near as seasoned a student of any of the writers mentioned in this discussion as others who have chimed in so far. Just want to get that out there on the table. But there's a reason for that, too, which is relevant to what I'm about to contribute:</p>
<p>I can in no way verify for certain the existence of the Masters--certainly it can't be proven in a scientific way, and on a personal level, I have never had an experience that seems to verify their existence to me. This is probably true for most people studying these materials, and others in this same position are left with three options when interpreting these texts:</p>
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<li>Reject the notion that Masters exist, due to lack of sufficient supporting evidence.</li>
<li><em>Believe</em> in the existence of the Masters, making it largely a matter of faith.</li>
<li><em>Provisionally accept</em> the existence of the Masters and develop a working <em>theory</em> about them, open to adjustment, revision, or even eventual dismissal.</li>
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<p>I start from this point because the existence of the Masters is crucial to everything else that may follow and it doesn't look like many who have taken part in this discussion have any doubt about the matter. If they don't really exist, then it doesn't much matter if AAB's take on their message contradicts Blavatsky's, does it? Then there's no need for the bulk of the debate that has taken place here.</p>
<p>I personally fall into the third category--I'm kind of fascinated by the idea of them, and while I haven't had any experiences that verify their existence specifically, I have had experiences that suggest to me that there are realms of Being beyond the physical and that those realms are inhabited by conscious entities. Coming from that viewpoint, though, the Masters could in actuality be just about anything. There's too much interesting stuff going on in the world to be certain. For just one example, I look to UFO phenomena and wonder where that all fits into the picture. What do the Masters think or know about that? What if the Masters are really some manifestation of that? Even if they do exist, how do we know they're really human like they say they are? How can we, from our limited point of reference, know anything for sure about them?</p>
<p>Maybe some of my ideas sound wacky, that's okay, I can take the heat--and I can see by how touchy everyone in this discussion is getting about the minutest details of which Master said what, that the suggestion that they could be aliens might be seen as ridiculous at best and downright offensive at worst. So be it, and if people are so entrenched in their beliefs about the Masters, they can have the whole thing all to themselves as far as I'm concerned.</p>
<p>I just think that getting so invested in the details, in the particulars about these issues can easily cause one to miss the big picture, and prevent one from absorbing what are probably the most important points contained in all those books--the points that are true regardless of whether it was Koot Hoomi or DK or Alice Bailey's personality projected upon DK's impressions, etc.....</p>
<p>Look at the messages, assimilate what rings true to you, and most importantly, take from them all that which can be used to actually make this world a better place, and then move on in life and <strong>use it</strong> to help keep humanity from killing itself off along with half the biosphere. That seems more relevant in this age than getting so tied up in who said what and whether or not it agreed with the others.</p>
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<p></p> I think you will find that Sh…tag:theosophy.net,2012-04-02:3055387:Comment:1106962012-04-02T18:08:41.282Zbournemouthsochttps://theosophy.net/profile/bournemouthsoc
<p>I think you will find that Share International has websites in Arabic and Hebrew and many other languages.</p>
<p>I think the quote about Sai Baba may be referring to his work as The Cosmic Christ.</p>
<p>I think you will find that Share International has websites in Arabic and Hebrew and many other languages.</p>
<p>I think the quote about Sai Baba may be referring to his work as The Cosmic Christ.</p> First off "full moon" meditat…tag:theosophy.net,2012-03-29:3055387:Comment:1102062012-03-29T14:36:24.008Zandrasnmhttps://theosophy.net/profile/andrasnm
<p>First off "full moon" meditation is neither wise nor advisable. A moon is a dead orb and meditating while at full force is foolish.</p>
<p>As for Bailey - I read her, for Creme not on your life...</p>
<p>just my two cents.</p>
<p>First off "full moon" meditation is neither wise nor advisable. A moon is a dead orb and meditating while at full force is foolish.</p>
<p>As for Bailey - I read her, for Creme not on your life...</p>
<p>just my two cents.</p> Hi, friends!
Yes, mr. Creme…tag:theosophy.net,2012-03-28:3055387:Comment:1101962012-03-28T13:15:18.103ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> Yes, mr. Creme is guilty of some failed prophesies... but he has hit the target on some others.</p>
<p> James, it not a mix, space brothers will be able to show themselves openly when we show brotherhood in our humanity, in our way of life.</p>
<p> Duane, what seems unfortunate for someone may be a blessing for another.</p>
<p> What I can say is quite simple: my own experience confirms me that Maitreya, whom I call simply "the gentle teacher", is here. He is making his…</p>
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> Yes, mr. Creme is guilty of some failed prophesies... but he has hit the target on some others.</p>
<p> James, it not a mix, space brothers will be able to show themselves openly when we show brotherhood in our humanity, in our way of life.</p>
<p> Duane, what seems unfortunate for someone may be a blessing for another.</p>
<p> What I can say is quite simple: my own experience confirms me that Maitreya, whom I call simply "the gentle teacher", is here. He is making his presence publicy known very slowly and carefully because he does know how difficult is to deal with people. </p> Joe:
Please keep in mind th…tag:theosophy.net,2012-03-28:3055387:Comment:1103702012-03-28T12:58:51.352ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Joe:</p>
<p> Please keep in mind that people engage with this web for a variety of reasons. None of us can say what are others here for.</p>
<p> I am sorry, I disagree with the six and three conditions so I cannot take them as a guidance.</p>
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<p> Joe:</p>
<p> Please keep in mind that people engage with this web for a variety of reasons. None of us can say what are others here for.</p>
<p> I am sorry, I disagree with the six and three conditions so I cannot take them as a guidance.</p>
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<p> </p> …tag:theosophy.net,2012-03-28:3055387:Comment:1103662012-03-28T01:13:35.084ZDuane Carpenterhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DuaneCarpenter496
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<p>To throw AAB works in with the teachings of Benjamin Crème, Charles Leadbeater and Annie Besant simply demonstrate that the student has not done the necessary research. Putting aside their many distortions and theosophical oversimplifications that Leadbeater and Besant perpetuated they are simply entry level teachings. AAB and HPB speaks to those who are ready for true discipleship training, HPB created a broad …</p>
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<p>To throw AAB works in with the teachings of Benjamin Crème, Charles Leadbeater and Annie Besant simply demonstrate that the student has not done the necessary research. Putting aside their many distortions and theosophical oversimplifications that Leadbeater and Besant perpetuated they are simply entry level teachings. AAB and HPB speaks to those who are ready for true discipleship training, HPB created a broad panorama of esoteric wisdom and AAB extended that work giving techniques in individual and group meditation, visualization and alignment that will speed up and facilitate spiritual growth.</p>
<p> I appreciate the sevice work that B Creme has done and have known many good people in his many organizations. Unfortunately he has thrown the idea of the Reapareance of the Christ into a place of oversimplification and outright mockery.</p>
<p>Best Duane</p> Hi, friends!
Well, James, w…tag:theosophy.net,2012-03-27:3055387:Comment:1100892012-03-27T20:12:33.798ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> Well, James, we disagree on our appretiation of mr. Creme. He openly admits that he summarizes and simplifies many of the contents of AAB's books. I think that he has done a good work in this, in the spirit and the letter.</p>
<p> I know something of going wild and I have met mr. Creme. He's not gone wild and done "his own thing". </p>
<p>Obviously? ... what an interesting word... I will not write about what may seem to me a "classic case"... I'll not be able to keep…</p>
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> Well, James, we disagree on our appretiation of mr. Creme. He openly admits that he summarizes and simplifies many of the contents of AAB's books. I think that he has done a good work in this, in the spirit and the letter.</p>
<p> I know something of going wild and I have met mr. Creme. He's not gone wild and done "his own thing". </p>
<p>Obviously? ... what an interesting word... I will not write about what may seem to me a "classic case"... I'll not be able to keep politeness, sorry.</p> Hi, friends!
It seems that…tag:theosophy.net,2012-03-27:3055387:Comment:1102892012-03-27T14:06:02.483ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> It seems that this thread is older than me... I've noticed it just now.</p>
<p> First, I insist that Bailey, like Creme, said that they are not channelers but mental telepaths. Now, Joe, "fitting into the older" seems quite a conservative requirement to me.... makes me think on the old question of "where new wine is to be stored?". Yes, it's a pity that there are much more Bailey followers than Bailey students. Bailey's books, Ben Creme's books, HPB books can be taken…</p>
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> It seems that this thread is older than me... I've noticed it just now.</p>
<p> First, I insist that Bailey, like Creme, said that they are not channelers but mental telepaths. Now, Joe, "fitting into the older" seems quite a conservative requirement to me.... makes me think on the old question of "where new wine is to be stored?". Yes, it's a pity that there are much more Bailey followers than Bailey students. Bailey's books, Ben Creme's books, HPB books can be taken as a "doctrine", but why? yes, it's easier but it's also really boring .</p>
<p> The practice is really simple: to work with the Great Invocation paying attention to the point between the eyebrows with the focused intention of contributing to the common good with the time you spend in this practice. I'm doing it in grupal formation since 1998 and it's still new everyday.</p> Beautiful expressed.!!
Thank…tag:theosophy.net,2009-06-19:3055387:Comment:139512009-06-19T22:46:10.189ZDuane Carpenterhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DuaneCarpenter496
Beautiful expressed.!!<br />
Thank you for the art and poetry and philosophy of the spirit which sings of "Life" and "Love and our "Oneness" with "All that is". If everyone were as lit as you there would be nothing to debate about. Imagine that. A Theosophist with nothing to nit pick about!!!. We would all slumber in some kind of pralayic sleep that is yet total and complete wakefulness. I dedicate my next few divine feminine images that I will post here on Theosophical network to Mary Magdalene. May…
Beautiful expressed.!!<br />
Thank you for the art and poetry and philosophy of the spirit which sings of "Life" and "Love and our "Oneness" with "All that is". If everyone were as lit as you there would be nothing to debate about. Imagine that. A Theosophist with nothing to nit pick about!!!. We would all slumber in some kind of pralayic sleep that is yet total and complete wakefulness. I dedicate my next few divine feminine images that I will post here on Theosophical network to Mary Magdalene. May the great ones continue to hold you in the chalice of there divine hands. May you sweet child continue to hold "Yourself" in that crucible of fire that cannot be exstinguised nor ever burn out.<br />
Blessings Duane