Practice, Practice, Practice...What Do You Do? - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T16:05:39Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/practice-practice-practice-what-do-you-do?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A118840&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDear Jessica,
I absol…tag:theosophy.net,2012-12-16:3055387:Comment:1203192012-12-16T15:28:25.266ZHari Menonhttps://theosophy.net/profile/HariMenon
<p>Dear Jessica,</p>
<p> I absolutely agree 100% with what you have written . You are correct , Please do accept my sincerest apologies if I came out as being obfuscating in my reply . Probably something was lacking from my side . I hope your largeness of heart would however consider this saying </p>
<p>"Nobody is always wrong , even a clock that does not work is right two times a day ''. </p>
<p>Dear Jessica,</p>
<p> I absolutely agree 100% with what you have written . You are correct , Please do accept my sincerest apologies if I came out as being obfuscating in my reply . Probably something was lacking from my side . I hope your largeness of heart would however consider this saying </p>
<p>"Nobody is always wrong , even a clock that does not work is right two times a day ''. </p> practice.... like ballet, eve…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-27:3055387:Comment:1192192012-11-27T15:16:30.383ZLeslie Royce Pochoshttps://theosophy.net/profile/LeslieRoycePochos
<p><span>practice.... like ballet, even the prima ballerina practices every day, because control of the instrument is critical and never accomplished by accident.</span></p>
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<p><span>I had the benefit of a wise student from the start of my studies; he taught me that until you open the eye of the scientist in you, that is learn to watch yourself as tho’ you were the subject of a scientific experiment, which he assured me each is, you would only have information. For it to become…</span></p>
<p><span>practice.... like ballet, even the prima ballerina practices every day, because control of the instrument is critical and never accomplished by accident.</span></p>
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<p><span>I had the benefit of a wise student from the start of my studies; he taught me that until you open the eye of the scientist in you, that is learn to watch yourself as tho’ you were the subject of a scientific experiment, which he assured me each is, you would only have information. For it to become knowledge, you had to see yourself in action. Then, if you were dissatisfied with what you saw, you could turn it into wisdom, shape it and remake it into what you saw as fit and proper, not the full answer yet but its germ.</span></p>
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<p><span>This process provides some of the most embarrassing moments in one’s life - how could I/doesn’t anyone else see how pathetic I am/what kind of motive is that??? But when the weeds are pulled and the ground is bare, one feels free to plant something new. And then watch the result of that... the practice never ends because until you turn it into a living thing here, it is just a wish, a dream, a hope of the soul. And tho’ I may be a million miles from success, I am building muscles and sometimes a stunning awareness of having conquered petty faults others may not have or may not see yet. It is a freedom and an encouragement. Meditation allows one to re-charge the batteries so that one is able to put it into practice here ... and until you do it here, it is just theory. No answer coming from any divination practice can equal what I can see and know of myself, through myself, in action; even if such a method can offer a clue of the direction to take, I still have to take the direction and put it into practice.</span></p>
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<p><span>I hope this does not sound pompous; in truth, it is humbling and yet exciting. </span></p> hi, friends!
I did not mean…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-23:3055387:Comment:1189232012-11-23T15:05:22.646ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> hi, friends!</p>
<p> I did not mean that the site is "too philosophical", if I meant this, I would have written it right straight</p>
<p> well, using words to discuss abstract ideas is philosophy, understood according to Western standards, unless my professors lied to me, John... they had not studied Eastern thought, and they were not quite sure whether to call it "philosophy" or not </p>
<p> Hari has made this point quite clear, I think, and I myself feel much more comfortable with the…</p>
<p> hi, friends!</p>
<p> I did not mean that the site is "too philosophical", if I meant this, I would have written it right straight</p>
<p> well, using words to discuss abstract ideas is philosophy, understood according to Western standards, unless my professors lied to me, John... they had not studied Eastern thought, and they were not quite sure whether to call it "philosophy" or not </p>
<p> Hari has made this point quite clear, I think, and I myself feel much more comfortable with the Eastern approach to reality than with the Western one, something that you have already guessed, I imagine</p>
<p> maybe it would be good to study the history of dogmas in the Catholic church to understand what a dogma is, which is the way to become really free of them</p>
<p> have fun!!!</p>
<p> </p> Getting this discussion back…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-23:3055387:Comment:1187702012-11-23T11:30:16.534ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Getting this discussion back to practice...</p>
<p>I use japa/mantra meditation. It is used in the various religions and has no central belief (until one assigns a belief to it).</p>
<p>People who are not religious, including atheists, may use it successfully.</p>
<p>One great advantage is that it is transmission independent. The need for a Guru, teacher etc. is optional.</p>
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<p>Regarding the site being too philosophical: We have no central religion or even a doctrine from which to…</p>
<p>Getting this discussion back to practice...</p>
<p>I use japa/mantra meditation. It is used in the various religions and has no central belief (until one assigns a belief to it).</p>
<p>People who are not religious, including atheists, may use it successfully.</p>
<p>One great advantage is that it is transmission independent. The need for a Guru, teacher etc. is optional.</p>
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<p>Regarding the site being too philosophical: We have no central religion or even a doctrine from which to create a dogma. Using words to discuss abstract ideas will appear philosophical. Not surprising people will see it as such </p>
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<p>john</p>
<p></p> Hi, Hari!
thanks, but I dis…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-22:3055387:Comment:1188402012-11-22T13:14:37.220ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, Hari!</p>
<p> thanks, but I distrust anyone who says that has understood me perfectly, sorry but this is so hahahaha :-)</p>
<p> in the first part of the writing I just tried to make my position regarding tradition clear, I have to agree, with some success...</p>
<p> of course "there's a common unseen thread running within everyone in this forum" ... now, shall we be bold or crazy enough to aknowledge this fact? (yes, I mean you, admins! hahahaha ;-)</p>
<p> East and West ;-) yes,…</p>
<p> Hi, Hari!</p>
<p> thanks, but I distrust anyone who says that has understood me perfectly, sorry but this is so hahahaha :-)</p>
<p> in the first part of the writing I just tried to make my position regarding tradition clear, I have to agree, with some success...</p>
<p> of course "there's a common unseen thread running within everyone in this forum" ... now, shall we be bold or crazy enough to aknowledge this fact? (yes, I mean you, admins! hahahaha ;-)</p>
<p> East and West ;-) yes, writing in general terms, Eastern culture does not make philosophy and theosophy separate rooms, but this has been made so through Western history </p>
<p> yes, Kierkegaard, and Nietzsche, too, are people who went so deep inside that they went beyond this separation, but they are not representatives of mainstream Western thought, and they did not fit into the academical standards of their time</p>
<p> I do not mean at all that theosophy is "better than" philosophy or that people in the spiritual business are "more evolved" than those in any other business, or any "should or should not", it's just that I take long posts as a sign of philosophical inclination hahahahaha ;-)</p>
<p> there's a huge unprecedented cultural change going on undercurrent and my opinion is that spiritual energies are the cause of this change... as I see it, the academical world, like all official institutions, prefers to ignore the fact... the change I mean is that human personality is about to aknowledge the reality of human soul, and I mean the race as a whole (I have seen it as already done in vision) </p>
<p> if we were living according to human nature instead of living through bad habits, theosophy, the access to divine wisdom, would be, like the energy comin' from the Sun, a natural gift of life... and if humanity is to survive until the next century, bad habits are to be changed in this one, yes we can!!!</p>
<p> warm hug, friends!!!</p>
<p> </p> Simple : A typist can not typ…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-22:3055387:Comment:1186032012-11-22T06:19:12.695ZMANLEOhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BALAJINARASIMHAMURTHY
<p>Simple : A typist can not type fast until he practiced certain words fast till his brain cells reach to the finger tips. ( like blind people will have brain cells at the finger tips while they observe/ feel the words. Meditation is also a practice where the brain cells moves to wards a point pre determined and then it works . Pendulam also moves in a way if though power is added to it. When nature is all around you who you want to communicate. Astrology tatoo is it a divine knowledge?…</p>
<p>Simple : A typist can not type fast until he practiced certain words fast till his brain cells reach to the finger tips. ( like blind people will have brain cells at the finger tips while they observe/ feel the words. Meditation is also a practice where the brain cells moves to wards a point pre determined and then it works . Pendulam also moves in a way if though power is added to it. When nature is all around you who you want to communicate. Astrology tatoo is it a divine knowledge? </p> Dear Ferran ,
I understa…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-22:3055387:Comment:1188322012-11-22T04:35:26.838ZHari Menonhttps://theosophy.net/profile/HariMenon
<p>Dear Ferran ,</p>
<p> I understand perfectly what you mean , I do mean it and looking at it you are correct , but I see it in</p>
<p>another way (relating to this site ) there is a common unseen thread running within everyone in this forum and those who have come and gone and of those who will join later - it is a wanting to know more of a ''something'' that cannot be probably put into words an inner urge a certain restlessness that makes them more open to ideas and adventerous to pin…</p>
<p>Dear Ferran ,</p>
<p> I understand perfectly what you mean , I do mean it and looking at it you are correct , but I see it in</p>
<p>another way (relating to this site ) there is a common unseen thread running within everyone in this forum and those who have come and gone and of those who will join later - it is a wanting to know more of a ''something'' that cannot be probably put into words an inner urge a certain restlessness that makes them more open to ideas and adventerous to pin point that desire and work their way .More than the commonality or banality of a group who will venture into e commerce sites . There is an understanding that it is a melting pot of Ideas , western,eastern, esoteric ,occult the arts and sciences and personally developed one. So as a group we are like minded , in fact it is very gratifying that there are so many in engaged in a common pursuit despite themselves subscribing to various schools of thought and belonging to various in born denominations . Everyone of us is a ''new theosophy'' as synthesis is achieved within the individual , if a group synthesis based on certain ideas is done we would be no longer ''new'' it would be just old wine in new bottle - this type of group thinkings in theosophy which envisages homogenity or even presupposes it is a sure fire movement to rigdity and counter productive , More over being western you are used to mant ideas on Philosophy and other things - In the east we do not have Philosophers as in the Western world - we have philosophy but no philosophers (including China and other far east countries) - For us philosophy and alos religion are so enmeshed and it is part of our blood , because it is a practised religion and practised philosophy . By which I mean it is part of the person and not separate from him . So it is understandable that the benefits that you have gained from following Tao Chi is very deep and intrinsic and has become you yourself and a path or practice in the western way does not exist , itself has become you and and has led to an enhanced life - it is so in every Eastern Theosophy and Philiosophy and religion - it takes hold of the person and overpowers his will and ego and changes him for ever - You have to understand that this is philosophy for us - if it is unable to merge in the practitioner then there is something wrong in its understanding by the aspirant not the philosophy . Many people from the western world have I met in various ashrams and other societies during my wanderings - and they have very quickly (as with you ) caught on to this fact . All good disciples of a good master is all I can say about them. It might come across to a person so immersed in the spirit of things to get a bit upset or impatient at their less fortunate counterparts in the world who are stragglers , that they are inclining to Philosophy and not theosophy etc etc. These are just words and our impatience - let it be , everyone evolves , to patiently help each other is the only remedy , after all we are all born into this world and it makes no sense to not help another as if he were a long lost friend . Patience my friend . There may be more people than you know who may be immersed in Tao Chi and its ways than you suspect on this forum. Thank you for the practices , I for one will go into it to find the areas of coincidence within me , may probably explain many things unknown.</p> yes, Joe , but if it's so I…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-21:3055387:Comment:1188282012-11-21T23:13:36.238ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> yes, Joe , but if it's so I can't help thinking that this is not at all traditional, meaning with it to be inside a living tradition... a true tradition is not something that belongs to me, it's me who belongs to the tradition</p>
<p> I just can't think on using a tradition like a tool is used!</p>
<p> I don't mean that this "should not be done", I just mean that it's impossible to me... this may be a consequence of me being born Catalan, a nation that choose culture as a survival strategy…</p>
<p> yes, Joe , but if it's so I can't help thinking that this is not at all traditional, meaning with it to be inside a living tradition... a true tradition is not something that belongs to me, it's me who belongs to the tradition</p>
<p> I just can't think on using a tradition like a tool is used!</p>
<p> I don't mean that this "should not be done", I just mean that it's impossible to me... this may be a consequence of me being born Catalan, a nation that choose culture as a survival strategy in the beginning of XXth century, so when I was a child I could read the books in Catalan from my grandpa, printed before Franco's dictatorship in Spain forbade it, so the feeling that a tradition is something to keep alive for the next generation is quite strong in me </p>
<p> Heaven (to use the Chinese word) decided that I'd receive instruction in the arts of the Tao (internal martial arts) from a competent teacher who belongs to a true lineage of practitioners and teachers: our one-to-one classes in the park were based upon energy transmission, not as a kind of magical thing but as the true mark of the art (hahaha I'll always remember his face when he said for the first time "etheric body" and looked at my reaction) he was aware of the value of the teaching and so am I ... it's something inside, that does help me along the practice, it's alive... when I teach, I try to be faithful to the tradition, not to the form but to what's inside </p>
<p> and, well, I think that we humans need a "new theosophy", that a true theosophy can help to bring real solutions to the problems of the world, but this means a cultural change that most New Age people do not imagine, and to do this we need to go beyond the limits of the past</p>
<p> I think, too, that any true theosophy can only be achieved today through a group effort, a shared effort, and that our personalities cannot actively make theosophy, but learn to receive it</p>
<p> the practice of triangles with the Great Invocation, as explained in Alice A Bailey website <a href="http://www.lucistrust.org/en/service_activities/triangles">http://www.lucistrust.org/en/service_activities/triangles</a> is simple and effective, and the practice of Transmission Meditation as explained in Benjamin Creme website <a href="http://www.share-international.org/background/xmission/tm_main.htm">http://www.share-international.org/background/xmission/tm_main.htm</a> is more powerful</p>
<p> these are the practices I recommend :-) </p>
<p> </p> Hi, friends!
I am the fello…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-21:3055387:Comment:1185922012-11-21T14:59:50.536ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> I am the fellow who wrote that this is a site geared towards philosophy rather than the practice of traditional theosophy, although the exact words were not those... these days I don't feel like writing, this is the reason why I have not answered earlier...</p>
<p> first and foremost, I did not mean to criticize, I just tried to give form to a thought</p>
<p> I am very skeptical on any traditional theosophy that one may find in the net... yes, I can download for free…</p>
<p> Hi, friends!</p>
<p> I am the fellow who wrote that this is a site geared towards philosophy rather than the practice of traditional theosophy, although the exact words were not those... these days I don't feel like writing, this is the reason why I have not answered earlier...</p>
<p> first and foremost, I did not mean to criticize, I just tried to give form to a thought</p>
<p> I am very skeptical on any traditional theosophy that one may find in the net... yes, I can download for free ebooks from all traditions that have been translated into English, and this means that I can make my opinion about ideas that are thousands of years old... and this means, too, that I am not within those traditions</p>
<p> I was born within the Roman Catholic tradition and decided to stay in as long as I could breath, so I had the chance to go deeper into it in study and practice than the average Catholic... until I needed fresh air </p>
<p> even when I was a Catholic I distrusted anyone calling himself "traditional" of "traditionalist", prefering to read the classical books instead</p>
<p> (if we need a qualifying for "theosophy", I think that "synthetic" is better than "traditional" ;-)</p>
<p> anyway, I was trying to write about different kinds of thirst: the thirst for understanding, that may be the root of any philosophic effort, and the thirst for God (anyone is allowed to (mis)understand the word "God" at his own risk hehehe) as I have experienced them both, but only one has been quenched, the thirst for God (the reason I use this word is that it is a short one)</p>
<p> ... and the thirst for understanding has changed its shape: I don't need anymore to understand, feeling quite comfortable in craziness and although I still long for understanding among people, I am not worried about it, it will come soon, I have seen it with the eyes of faith :-)</p>
<p> anyway, the most important point is to be aware of each one's own need, thirst or longing... when this is clear, the activity or practice needed becames properly focused... so honest reflection is the root practice</p>
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<p> </p> Dear JOE ,
YOU WANT HIT THE B…tag:theosophy.net,2012-11-19:3055387:Comment:1185242012-11-19T06:02:49.425ZMANLEOhttps://theosophy.net/profile/BALAJINARASIMHAMURTHY
<p>Dear JOE ,</p>
<p>YOU WANT HIT THE BULLS EYE with one question. The process taught by MASTERS is to ( GET SOME GUIDE) observer the flow of thoughts which goes wandering all the time and emits different thoughts at different wave lengths.(First step) . Astrological signs , cards, pendulum tricks etc were the out put of the human brain which emits continuously with certain frequency , which can be manipulated with thought power.. Breathe is the most important observation in astrology, and in…</p>
<p>Dear JOE ,</p>
<p>YOU WANT HIT THE BULLS EYE with one question. The process taught by MASTERS is to ( GET SOME GUIDE) observer the flow of thoughts which goes wandering all the time and emits different thoughts at different wave lengths.(First step) . Astrological signs , cards, pendulum tricks etc were the out put of the human brain which emits continuously with certain frequency , which can be manipulated with thought power.. Breathe is the most important observation in astrology, and in meditation. Breathe is the churning of the life or prana in the body and is the main controller. The direction of the breathe, quantity, quality is to be observed. It is again your astrological position which brings guide in your search.Second step</p>
<p>Sound is the next important factor during meditation ( secret doctrine) . Few sounds in sanskrit ( sacred chants or words ) and in English create vibrations if spelt at particular frequency. ( Master and the path by C.W Lead beater) Frequency is again connected to musical notes. What happens in the body to be observed and some reference is required. ( know a bit of Human Anotomy and the drug function on the human body) All chants and and all sound does not suit all the humans as all are not born at same wave length and work under same frequency. ( Third step)</p>
<p>Selecting a guide who does not expect any thing from u and he only expects you to be only as giver and not taker from your students is one of the most important in this entire process. In the entire process you will loose your materialist life but gain spiritual life. Having surrounded by many people is the biggest hurdle in spiritual progress. a person should be able to life with most contended life. NO PERSON CAN HAVE FULL MATERIALSIT LIFE AND SPIRITUAL LIFE TOGETHER. ONE SHOULD BE LOST TO GET THE OTHER . This is real and real and the final truth.</p>
<p>A truth seeker will always gets information from any corner of the world to his door steps if he is really true towards his goal. As you earlier said who wants to see master or who want this knowledge which does not fetch dollers$$$.</p>
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<p>Murthy</p>