Intellectual Warfare - Theosophy.Net2024-03-29T14:06:25Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/intellectual-warfare?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A129680&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI don't want my post to be th…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-10:3055387:Comment:1301152013-09-10T18:36:40.130ZSeth Edwardshttps://theosophy.net/profile/SethEdwards
<p>I don't want my post to be three-thousand pages long. If you wish to have a reply to anything else along these lines, start your own discussion. We're done with it here.</p>
<p>I don't want my post to be three-thousand pages long. If you wish to have a reply to anything else along these lines, start your own discussion. We're done with it here.</p> John, of course it's not "on…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-10:3055387:Comment:1298772013-09-10T13:54:42.569ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> John, of course it's not "only" with the title</p>
<p> the title sets the mindset of any thread, the words of the title have a meaning</p>
<p> I wonder why people find it so hard to understand that to attack is offensive</p>
<p> John, of course it's not "only" with the title</p>
<p> the title sets the mindset of any thread, the words of the title have a meaning</p>
<p> I wonder why people find it so hard to understand that to attack is offensive</p>
Ferran >> "if this…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-07:3055387:Comment:1300222013-09-07T14:59:03.937ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
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<p>Ferran >> "if this thread had started with a title like: "let's present better ideas to the public" or similar, there'd be nothing I'd say against it"</p>
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<p>Ok, the issue is only with the title.</p>
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<p>Seth: >> "we all live in our own little bubbles of illusion, and we should make it our collective mission to destroy those deceitful bubbles." </p>
<p>I like this. It is similar to shedding all of one's attachments. Rather Buddhist of you…</p>
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<p>Ferran >> "if this thread had started with a title like: "let's present better ideas to the public" or similar, there'd be nothing I'd say against it"</p>
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<p>Ok, the issue is only with the title.</p>
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<p>Seth: >> "we all live in our own little bubbles of illusion, and we should make it our collective mission to destroy those deceitful bubbles." </p>
<p>I like this. It is similar to shedding all of one's attachments. Rather Buddhist of you <g> </p>
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<p> </p> I do disagree with attacking…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-07:3055387:Comment:1298502013-09-07T11:42:36.153ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> I do disagree with attacking, haven't you noticed?</p>
<p> if this thread had started with a title like: "let's present better ideas to the public" or similar, there'd be nothing I'd say against it</p>
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<p> now, who are you to say that my ego is a lie? who are you to know my personality better than me?</p>
<p> I say that all your pretensions of knowing anything better than anyone are a lie, this is the reply you deserve</p>
<p> I do disagree with attacking, haven't you noticed?</p>
<p> if this thread had started with a title like: "let's present better ideas to the public" or similar, there'd be nothing I'd say against it</p>
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<p> now, who are you to say that my ego is a lie? who are you to know my personality better than me?</p>
<p> I say that all your pretensions of knowing anything better than anyone are a lie, this is the reply you deserve</p> well said Seth!tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-06:3055387:Comment:1298432013-09-06T01:25:32.402ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>well said Seth!</p>
<p>well said Seth!</p> What do you disagree with? I…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-05:3055387:Comment:1300192013-09-05T22:34:43.304ZSeth Edwardshttps://theosophy.net/profile/SethEdwards
<p>What do you disagree with? I have given no opinions about what I will be attacking. It seems the only thing you disagree with is the word "attack" itself, which makes no sense, because you are clearly trying to be offensive in your replies. If you really thought attacks were evil you would practice what you preach. I think maybe you're trying to prove some kind of point by being a "defender," but I'm not really sure. Since there is nothing to defend yet, it seems very fabricated.</p>
<p>I…</p>
<p>What do you disagree with? I have given no opinions about what I will be attacking. It seems the only thing you disagree with is the word "attack" itself, which makes no sense, because you are clearly trying to be offensive in your replies. If you really thought attacks were evil you would practice what you preach. I think maybe you're trying to prove some kind of point by being a "defender," but I'm not really sure. Since there is nothing to defend yet, it seems very fabricated.</p>
<p>I use the word attack because its more interesting that saying "relaying information that would negate old outdated beliefs." It looks as if you are too attached to words themselves to actually think logically (which, to be fair, most people are) for "attack" in this entire context means the exact same thing as trying to convince someone to see things differently. </p>
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<p>But to feed your fire, some of the ideas I'd really like to relay would be "your ego is a lie," and that "your personality is nothing more than a system of patterns you didn't even personally create." I would like to effectively say, "we all live in our own little bubbles of illusion, and we should make it our collective mission to destroy those deceitful bubbles." </p> these are 2 tasks:
yes, o…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-05:3055387:Comment:1300172013-09-05T15:38:52.352ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> these are 2 tasks:</p>
<p> yes, one can find truth, no books are needed... first practice is honesty towards oneself, this makes one able to be sincere outwards, when one is sincere outwards, becomes detached... then, truth is found</p>
<p> but, no, it cannot be spread out to everyone as if it was Coca-cola</p>
<p> it's a seed that's inside, yet it needs nurturing </p>
<p> I have read too many to care much for books, yet I repeat is that is quite unfair that some books can be quoted…</p>
<p> these are 2 tasks:</p>
<p> yes, one can find truth, no books are needed... first practice is honesty towards oneself, this makes one able to be sincere outwards, when one is sincere outwards, becomes detached... then, truth is found</p>
<p> but, no, it cannot be spread out to everyone as if it was Coca-cola</p>
<p> it's a seed that's inside, yet it needs nurturing </p>
<p> I have read too many to care much for books, yet I repeat is that is quite unfair that some books can be quoted while some others are deleted </p>
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<p></p> exactly just as pretentious…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-05:3055387:Comment:1296932013-09-05T15:20:34.866ZFerran Sanz Orriolshttps://theosophy.net/profile/FerranSanzOrriols
<p> exactly just as pretentious as the attacker, in my opinion.... here's someone who says he knows better (whatever it might be): you</p>
<p> so someone else plainly disagrees: me </p>
<p> you can't have one without the other</p>
<p> so, the general nature of any attack... is that it is an attack! </p>
<p> so, your idea is to attack so tricky that you don't meet any defence, of course... nothing new under the sun</p>
<p> exactly just as pretentious as the attacker, in my opinion.... here's someone who says he knows better (whatever it might be): you</p>
<p> so someone else plainly disagrees: me </p>
<p> you can't have one without the other</p>
<p> so, the general nature of any attack... is that it is an attack! </p>
<p> so, your idea is to attack so tricky that you don't meet any defence, of course... nothing new under the sun</p> You seem to be harping on a f…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-03:3055387:Comment:1298282013-09-03T17:43:33.983ZSeth Edwardshttps://theosophy.net/profile/SethEdwards
<p>You seem to be harping on a few ambiguous phrases within my post, but the post was meant to be looked at in its entirety. When I say "followers," I mean that these new people will "pick up the torch" so to speak, and begin to think for themselves. I don't mean that they will literally be our followers, and us their leaders. As I said before, my mission is merely to chip away at broken beliefs. Since I have not stated what I'm specifically attacking, anyone "going on the defense" would have…</p>
<p>You seem to be harping on a few ambiguous phrases within my post, but the post was meant to be looked at in its entirety. When I say "followers," I mean that these new people will "pick up the torch" so to speak, and begin to think for themselves. I don't mean that they will literally be our followers, and us their leaders. As I said before, my mission is merely to chip away at broken beliefs. Since I have not stated what I'm specifically attacking, anyone "going on the defense" would have to be rather pretentious assuming that I'm going to attack something they believe in. But I will say I was hoping to influence a very broad audience, which should give you some kind of idea of the general nature of the "attacks." </p>
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<p>The forum is the think-tank, not the actual battleground. The battleground I'm hoping to find would be that of advertising and mass-media, in which case we would never <em>directly</em> deal with peoples' defenses. </p> "I don't have anything to do…tag:theosophy.net,2013-09-03:3055387:Comment:1296802013-09-03T12:46:06.161ZPuzzleSolverhttps://theosophy.net/profile/PuzzleSolver
<p><em>"I don't have anything to do with any beliefs... people prefer to believe and follow simply because thinking, studying with some depth and practicing are quite harder"</em></p>
<p>So what is the use of having followers if they are unable to think for themselves and only quote from books? What is the use of having those books if only for making it easier to follow?</p>
<p>The thing we are shooting for here is not something that is already stamped in on a persons framework of thinking,…</p>
<p><em>"I don't have anything to do with any beliefs... people prefer to believe and follow simply because thinking, studying with some depth and practicing are quite harder"</em></p>
<p>So what is the use of having followers if they are unable to think for themselves and only quote from books? What is the use of having those books if only for making it easier to follow?</p>
<p>The thing we are shooting for here is not something that is already stamped in on a persons framework of thinking, that's why it's not used. "Education is bringing outside what is already inside" So if we are spoonfed everything, what makes us any better than sheep that follow in herd to a sheep-herder? </p>
<p>This isn't <em>just</em> about "education" and it's not about quoting from books, because people that are stuck with in that framework of mind can always find a million ways to argue why their book is the best and why their book should be read, look at all spiritual warfares that span this Earthly globe. Do you not think if a miracle were to happen where people had no books they would have to dig inside of their true nature for what they already know? You might probably think, Well they'll just write their own books again. Yet again we would be back into the spiritual or intellectual warfare. True enlightenment is gained from where then? Is enlightenment not gaining from insight? Enlightening from the in rather from the out?</p>
<p>What is really needed to have that? And I ask that humbly because I don't know. I ask, is it from a book? what about a class? Would it not be better to find the ground works of how it all comes down to being true, or should we believe everything that is said in a book because millions of people have already believed it? All in all this shouldn't even be about books, the question at hand is can we as a whole... or better yet can each individual (Can You) think and make truth not only from outside of you and everything you have learned from every book people have read...but from <strong>inside</strong> and spread that out to everyone? We all have our sources, those things that we just <em>know. Is it possible to awaken that knowledge from using ourselves and knowledge or insight from the divine so it is only truth?</em> That is the task at hand.</p>