Imagination - Theosophy.Net2024-03-29T13:32:48Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/imagination?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A139345&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe ORCH OR theory of the min…tag:theosophy.net,2014-10-08:3055387:Comment:1396112014-10-08T08:41:47.065ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>The ORCH OR theory of the mind/body/consciousness problem solves most of the issues with free will and consciousness (possibility of such) using standard physics and brain science. So, does this relate to imagination by giving rise to free will so that it can Imagine?</p>
<p>The theory shows that the quantum field equations are applicable to normal brain activity. Where does imagination come from? is it in the quantum physics, or does it lie in the Human higher plane which uses (quantum)…</p>
<p>The ORCH OR theory of the mind/body/consciousness problem solves most of the issues with free will and consciousness (possibility of such) using standard physics and brain science. So, does this relate to imagination by giving rise to free will so that it can Imagine?</p>
<p>The theory shows that the quantum field equations are applicable to normal brain activity. Where does imagination come from? is it in the quantum physics, or does it lie in the Human higher plane which uses (quantum) physics to operate the body/mind? Mind clearly has a primary role here, not physics (or to me it does).</p>
<p>Also, where does the Brain come into play? A storehouse of lower knowledge with free will attributes seems to declare itself as a source for new ideas and helps in imagining. The surface level (consciousness vs subconsciousness) can maybe play a role that confuses Truth, understands Truth and also a combination of other aspects and opinions with emotions seemingly stored in brain activity and not the higher self.</p>
<p>Imagination does seem to have a higher plane of operation at times (or does it?). Intuition seems to be triggered by images and imagination, which often originate from the lower planes, leading to the insight/intuition.</p>
<p>How does this all fit together in theosophy?</p>
<p></p> Imagination also is used to a…tag:theosophy.net,2014-10-02:3055387:Comment:1394542014-10-02T05:31:59.361ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Imagination also is used to advance back up (from where we are in the physical) - to help understand the original Hermetic phrase: as Above, so Below; as Below, so Above;</p>
<p>In fact, Imagination is used to understand all the hieroglyphs, and clues in nature. This helps to understand higher Truth and then to progress from the Below to the Above. We are stuck in the Below, initially. We need that tool, imagination, to boot out of our limited reality and allow intuitive insights to occur.…</p>
<p>Imagination also is used to advance back up (from where we are in the physical) - to help understand the original Hermetic phrase: as Above, so Below; as Below, so Above;</p>
<p>In fact, Imagination is used to understand all the hieroglyphs, and clues in nature. This helps to understand higher Truth and then to progress from the Below to the Above. We are stuck in the Below, initially. We need that tool, imagination, to boot out of our limited reality and allow intuitive insights to occur. Without imagination, no theosophical progress is possible. The images in Nature need Imagination in order to understand them.</p> well, a theosophist uses imag…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-30:3055387:Comment:1395592014-09-30T05:36:13.472ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>well, a theosophist uses imagination as an active tool. It charges the air, so to say, where the lightening bolt can discharge.</p>
<p>well, a theosophist uses imagination as an active tool. It charges the air, so to say, where the lightening bolt can discharge.</p> >>> isn't that what…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-30:3055387:Comment:1395582014-09-30T05:32:41.300ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>>>> isn't that what experience is?</p>
<p>to a theosophist - yes. Many people do not do it that way...</p>
<p>>>> isn't that what experience is?</p>
<p>to a theosophist - yes. Many people do not do it that way...</p> My jaw hit the floor when I g…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-29:3055387:Comment:1391702014-09-29T00:03:12.840ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>My jaw hit the floor when I gain a "fuller" understanding of intuition, and insight.</p>
<p>Insight is the lightening bolt cutting it's way through, taking the shortest path to ground.</p>
<p>Intuition is the leader that springs upward to guide it home.</p>
<p>My jaw hit the floor when I gain a "fuller" understanding of intuition, and insight.</p>
<p>Insight is the lightening bolt cutting it's way through, taking the shortest path to ground.</p>
<p>Intuition is the leader that springs upward to guide it home.</p> "honing your reality skills"…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-28:3055387:Comment:1395482014-09-28T23:54:12.004ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>"honing your reality skills"</p>
<p>isn't that what experience is? When you put your "imaginings" into practice? Follow that same process the other way. We are constantly testing our "imaginings" (most of us, I would guess, in a scientific manner) through predictions.</p>
<p>each night, as I'm unwinding from the day, I think about tomorrow. I take my understanding, incorporate any information of interest I came across that day, and make predictions for myself about the next day. Simple…</p>
<p>"honing your reality skills"</p>
<p>isn't that what experience is? When you put your "imaginings" into practice? Follow that same process the other way. We are constantly testing our "imaginings" (most of us, I would guess, in a scientific manner) through predictions.</p>
<p>each night, as I'm unwinding from the day, I think about tomorrow. I take my understanding, incorporate any information of interest I came across that day, and make predictions for myself about the next day. Simple things, John will respond to that post I made by a certain time. W heather I'm right or wrong has little impact on the day, but it does show me places where my understanding needs more attention. This is also how we maintain a kind of balance.</p>
<p>\What you are describing occurs when one starts believing their own predictions over the reality of the day. In other words, they refuse to see what actually happened, they ignore or twist whatever information comes in to support what they want.</p>
<p>To me, this is the only "sin" you can commit against "God". All other "sins" require one do this one first. Lie to yourself. The only way those fanciful imaginations continue to exist to cause any trouble, is for us to continue to support them, or continue to believe in them in spite of whats being shown to us.</p> On a slightly different direc…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-28:3055387:Comment:1394382014-09-28T06:40:06.697ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>On a slightly different direction - Imagination is one of the best tools a person can have. One can see symbols, recurring and not recurring, that shed an inner light on the higher planes. This allows one to progress through observation, both mental and physical insights, and develop the inner intuition by sparking it into action. This is often a very powerful tool. One, if not the best, tools we can use to advance. It also creates new free-will actions which can be used to support and…</p>
<p>On a slightly different direction - Imagination is one of the best tools a person can have. One can see symbols, recurring and not recurring, that shed an inner light on the higher planes. This allows one to progress through observation, both mental and physical insights, and develop the inner intuition by sparking it into action. This is often a very powerful tool. One, if not the best, tools we can use to advance. It also creates new free-will actions which can be used to support and trigger other's actions re-supporting natural laws latent in nature and human beings.</p> I agree that some uses of ima…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-28:3055387:Comment:1395452014-09-28T06:29:19.860ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I agree that some uses of imagination have a form of teaching, which can be good. But there is created some true garbage that wastes people time. However, it teaches one to discriminate. That may be considered good. Rather like honing your reality skills. You have a good point there.</p>
<p>I agree that some uses of imagination have a form of teaching, which can be good. But there is created some true garbage that wastes people time. However, it teaches one to discriminate. That may be considered good. Rather like honing your reality skills. You have a good point there.</p> How about this:
If we try to…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-26:3055387:Comment:1394342014-09-26T23:46:55.580ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>How about this:</p>
<p>If we try to "imagine" from another perspective, while applying our understanding of our current perception, then our "imagining" will be influenced by what we currently believe. This would introduce "errors". The longer we hold onto these "errors" the larger they become, until the "errors" influence is so great it can no longer be denied. Then we are forced to accept we were wrong (of course that means pain and suffering) and make adjustments to our "imagining" and…</p>
<p>How about this:</p>
<p>If we try to "imagine" from another perspective, while applying our understanding of our current perception, then our "imagining" will be influenced by what we currently believe. This would introduce "errors". The longer we hold onto these "errors" the larger they become, until the "errors" influence is so great it can no longer be denied. Then we are forced to accept we were wrong (of course that means pain and suffering) and make adjustments to our "imagining" and repeat.</p>
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<p>Of course adjustments can be made at any point along the way to mitigate the pain and suffering (if thats what we're truly interested in).</p> Again with the Quote:
“I main…tag:theosophy.net,2014-09-21:3055387:Comment:1394282014-09-21T17:27:48.661ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>Again with the Quote:</p>
<p>“I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. ... The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth.”</p>
<p>― Jiddu Krishnamurti</p>
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<p>Again with the Quote:</p>
<p>“I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. ... The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth.”</p>
<p>― Jiddu Krishnamurti</p>
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