Got My Belief! Now Dig in and Fight or Flight - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T22:17:58Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/got-my-belief-now-dig-in-and-fight-or-flight?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI forgot to add that that act…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-21:3055387:Comment:1348952014-02-21T20:05:46.124ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I forgot to add that that actually is interesting and useful information. Thank you PS!</p>
<p>I forgot to add that that actually is interesting and useful information. Thank you PS!</p> gads - psychology. Give it a…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-21:3055387:Comment:1347942014-02-21T14:15:31.921ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>gads - psychology. Give it a name and you understand it. Or worse, just categorize it. (I'm playing a bit of a devil's advocate here..)</p>
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<p>ok. What makes it happen to many people? Why does a person flip between the states - or never suffer it?</p>
<p>Scientists question everything. They actually *love* to find things unexplainable. So are they less prone to confirmation bias? Most theosophists would say they are the worst... hmmmmm</p>
<p>gads - psychology. Give it a name and you understand it. Or worse, just categorize it. (I'm playing a bit of a devil's advocate here..)</p>
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<p>ok. What makes it happen to many people? Why does a person flip between the states - or never suffer it?</p>
<p>Scientists question everything. They actually *love* to find things unexplainable. So are they less prone to confirmation bias? Most theosophists would say they are the worst... hmmmmm</p> why do people start a convers…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-21:3055387:Comment:1349682014-02-21T13:04:00.719ZPuzzleSolverhttps://theosophy.net/profile/PuzzleSolver
<blockquote><p>why do people start a conversation, trying to dig up dirt on a group, dump a bunch of statements and then "Run"?</p>
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<p>That's referred to in Psychology as Confirmation Bias, basically what some people do, not necessarily people seeking truths in religions or what-not, will seek out reasons to believe more of what they already believe or know (think they know)... if the answer is not in line with their belief system they will discard it and move on to something else…</p>
<blockquote><p>why do people start a conversation, trying to dig up dirt on a group, dump a bunch of statements and then "Run"?</p>
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<p>That's referred to in Psychology as Confirmation Bias, basically what some people do, not necessarily people seeking truths in religions or what-not, will seek out reasons to believe more of what they already believe or know (think they know)... if the answer is not in line with their belief system they will discard it and move on to something else that will again 'confirm' their original belief. This also works both ways, in things that they don't believe, and search for more reasons why they shouldn't believe it. </p>
<p>But again with things that are not easily provable it goes a even deeper than that. In my opinion... through the process of assimilation and accommodation as a person experiences life or things that they learn, they then interpret that information into what is easily (saliently) available to them by what has already been conditioned as their set belief (through religions or lack thereof etc.) It is pretty complicated! As religion or spirituality is something that also comes along with functional fixedness which here would only allow them to attach a one-way mentality to a belief system. Even more-so is the fact that Truth or spirituality and religions comes with emotions (most of the time) and that people use what's called the Self Reference Effect (which they put themselves in the position where they can better understand principles, beliefs or guidelines they can associate with) and they stay in this state constantly, seeking more to confirm/affirm. The deeper it goes the more elaborately encoded it becomes in their mind or train of thought. Then when they hit a snag in the road to question the belief, all that conditioning and emotional priming comes into play to veer them into another direction... Of course not to downplay any other reasons, but it is subjective I guess on a person's willingness or open mindedness to really seek out truth. Hopefully, the above doesn't sound like the definitive guide to why or how it works, but gives a basic premise of why it happens on a basic level through matter of opinion :)</p> Platonic mathematicians have…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-20:3055387:Comment:1345892014-02-20T07:34:53.542ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Platonic mathematicians have a belief in mathematics as part of an existing reality. That is belief and not logical. ?? a contradiction in this model possibly.</p>
<p>Platonic mathematicians have a belief in mathematics as part of an existing reality. That is belief and not logical. ?? a contradiction in this model possibly.</p> I see where you are coming fr…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-20:3055387:Comment:1348872014-02-20T07:31:23.409ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I see where you are coming from. However, it appears to be across a group and not so much an individual conscious decision. Again this can go back to the discussion on "Naïve or Logical" in that a person has a genetic motivator to be naïve or not thinking consciously. A "follower" predisposition to be a Naïve thinker - but with a genetic leaning.</p>
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<p>I am getting back to innate properties of Man from a gross-level of existence. genetic is easier to blame it on. That also might be…</p>
<p>I see where you are coming from. However, it appears to be across a group and not so much an individual conscious decision. Again this can go back to the discussion on "Naïve or Logical" in that a person has a genetic motivator to be naïve or not thinking consciously. A "follower" predisposition to be a Naïve thinker - but with a genetic leaning.</p>
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<p>I am getting back to innate properties of Man from a gross-level of existence. genetic is easier to blame it on. That also might be a over-simplified approach. A feel-good gene for religious (or atheistic) belief. But a Belief to relieve uncertainty and stress and fear.</p> Control usually ends up in th…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-20:3055387:Comment:1347812014-02-20T07:22:35.401ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Control usually ends up in the hands of the leaders. The individuals in the group seeking control, actively working to obtain it, may be wanting control to relieve personal uncertainty. uncertainty is usually a cause of stress and fear. That would possibly touch on a "Fight or Flight" response within the membership. Stress and fear is a strong motivator for action. That again goes back to a genetic predisposition as possibly part of some sort of role or play into the behavior. I am just…</p>
<p>Control usually ends up in the hands of the leaders. The individuals in the group seeking control, actively working to obtain it, may be wanting control to relieve personal uncertainty. uncertainty is usually a cause of stress and fear. That would possibly touch on a "Fight or Flight" response within the membership. Stress and fear is a strong motivator for action. That again goes back to a genetic predisposition as possibly part of some sort of role or play into the behavior. I am just thinking out load here. I am beginning to believe there is a genetic factor left over from evolution.</p> As we know - it may be geneti…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-19:3055387:Comment:1345862014-02-19T06:28:04.401ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>As we know - it may be genetic. A left-over "junk gene" from evolution days,</p>
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<p>As in the article on the X chromosomes shows - genes can be turned on and off occasionally.</p>
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<p>As we know - it may be genetic. A left-over "junk gene" from evolution days,</p>
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<p>As in the article on the X chromosomes shows - genes can be turned on and off occasionally.</p>
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<p></p> Interesting data have in scie…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-19:3055387:Comment:1347782014-02-19T06:18:34.152ZAlex Kravetshttps://theosophy.net/profile/AlexKravets
<p>Interesting data have in science. <br/>Only some people are willing to control: fanaticism, mania, jealousy, envy. Other people chat on the contrary can not even control the purity of body and hair on his head. They dream to control disappeared. These two parts of approximately equal on polls. And of course there are people who understand that there is a "personal responsibility" (derived from the word "response" in almost all the languages of the world).</p>
<p>Interesting data have in science. <br/>Only some people are willing to control: fanaticism, mania, jealousy, envy. Other people chat on the contrary can not even control the purity of body and hair on his head. They dream to control disappeared. These two parts of approximately equal on polls. And of course there are people who understand that there is a "personal responsibility" (derived from the word "response" in almost all the languages of the world).</p> John,
I believe that ultimate…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-19:3055387:Comment:1347752014-02-19T02:47:22.052ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>John,</p>
<p>I believe that ultimately the answer to your question is control. We all have a desire/mechanism (it may be genetic I couldn't say) to have some stability in our lives. We are all trying to control (to some degree) our (exclusively or individually) future. We look for understanding so that we can (if not control our environment), at least control the influence that environment has on us.</p>
<p>Couple this concept with the "fact" that people can be "manipulated".</p>
<p>you end…</p>
<p>John,</p>
<p>I believe that ultimately the answer to your question is control. We all have a desire/mechanism (it may be genetic I couldn't say) to have some stability in our lives. We are all trying to control (to some degree) our (exclusively or individually) future. We look for understanding so that we can (if not control our environment), at least control the influence that environment has on us.</p>
<p>Couple this concept with the "fact" that people can be "manipulated".</p>
<p>you end up with people who have an awareness that they can influence others, without the understanding of how it works, just that somehow this translates into controlling their own future (or at least control the influence of the environment).</p>
<p>So those that throw a bomb in the center of the room and run, are the ones that have figured out how to deal with the blast, they don't understand how it works.</p>
<p>i'm not casting dispersions here (I am one of them), it's all part of the "growing, learning, enlightening, discovering, reflecting", living process.</p>
<p>As a side note: I am sure everyone here has some awareness of the double slit experiment. People behave the same way, instead of just clumping into groups behind the slits as particles, they spread out in the pattern of a wave.</p> be sure to check out the disc…tag:theosophy.net,2014-02-18:3055387:Comment:1345832014-02-18T10:19:45.713ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>be sure to check out the discussion (link) <a href="http://theosophy.net/forum/topics/naive-or-logical?xg_source=activity" target="_self">Naive or Logical</a></p>
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<p>I agree that if either side is imbalanced it gets unhealthy for balanced thinking.</p>
<p>Just fyi - some of the smartest/best scientists are left-handed, and highly creative. we shouldn't judge solely on one model I guess.</p>
<p>be sure to check out the discussion (link) <a href="http://theosophy.net/forum/topics/naive-or-logical?xg_source=activity" target="_self">Naive or Logical</a></p>
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<p>I agree that if either side is imbalanced it gets unhealthy for balanced thinking.</p>
<p>Just fyi - some of the smartest/best scientists are left-handed, and highly creative. we shouldn't judge solely on one model I guess.</p>