Cycles and Climate.. Anthropogenic Warming or Natural Climatic Forcing - Theosophy.Net2024-03-29T05:24:37Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/cycles-and-climate-anthropogenic-warming-or-natural-climatic?groupUrl=science&commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A126182&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI forgot to mention that if p…tag:theosophy.net,2013-06-05:3055387:Comment:1261822013-06-05T20:01:46.645ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I forgot to mention that if people want to help pin down actual results, they may be interested in joining:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateprediction.net/" target="_blank">http://www.climateprediction.net/</a></p>
<p>Climate models are huge and complex, It is not unusual to get a dataset that will run 1000+ hours (about 1+ months running at 100% ) The software does not interfere with you work. when you are on the computer, the software is not running. No impact. These are also not set up…</p>
<p>I forgot to mention that if people want to help pin down actual results, they may be interested in joining:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateprediction.net/" target="_blank">http://www.climateprediction.net/</a></p>
<p>Climate models are huge and complex, It is not unusual to get a dataset that will run 1000+ hours (about 1+ months running at 100% ) The software does not interfere with you work. when you are on the computer, the software is not running. No impact. These are also not set up as screen savers (unless you want it to).</p>
<p>John</p>
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<p></p> Well, this debate has been go…tag:theosophy.net,2013-06-05:3055387:Comment:1263222013-06-05T18:18:39.375ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Well, this debate has been going on a long time.</p>
<p>I have never seen it "end" with either side as the "victor". People just go away and get more "facts" to reload the arsenal.</p>
<p>Nature is the ultimate judge. Not a very compassionate one at that.</p>
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<p>Well, this debate has been going on a long time.</p>
<p>I have never seen it "end" with either side as the "victor". People just go away and get more "facts" to reload the arsenal.</p>
<p>Nature is the ultimate judge. Not a very compassionate one at that.</p>
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<p></p> The Scientist ,The Athiest an…tag:theosophy.net,2013-06-05:3055387:Comment:1264242013-06-05T17:01:03.920ZHari Menonhttps://theosophy.net/profile/HariMenon
<p>The Scientist ,The Athiest and the Materialist are the modern prophets , It is their utter hubris which has helped to drag the human intellect to new lows . The fourth dimension is supplied by the lower strata of society called Polictician who after a fashion so intrinsic to the perversions in their profession dislike the useless waste of funds by the Scientists which would otherwise have been theirs . But lacking the sophistry of the Scientist and their major invention viz . the…</p>
<p>The Scientist ,The Athiest and the Materialist are the modern prophets , It is their utter hubris which has helped to drag the human intellect to new lows . The fourth dimension is supplied by the lower strata of society called Polictician who after a fashion so intrinsic to the perversions in their profession dislike the useless waste of funds by the Scientists which would otherwise have been theirs . But lacking the sophistry of the Scientist and their major invention viz . the inexhaustible supply of Cause and effect Realtionships , the fourth dimension by virtue of its inherent deviousness (the other three dimension of thought being naiive mostly ) aggrandizes all such things to their advantage . Whatever anyone might say the Emperor is stilll not wearing any clothes even today .</p> The numbers show a heavy cons…tag:theosophy.net,2013-06-05:3055387:Comment:1261792013-06-05T14:18:55.990ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>The numbers show a heavy consensus that humans have a sizable impact.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change" target="_blank">here</a></p>
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<p>A few years back the American Physical Society actually polled its members (an actual membership vote count) and the majority sided with human activity as a primary issue. The others were divided up into 1) APS should not get involved in taking a stand on a political policy issue, 2) No…</p>
<p>The numbers show a heavy consensus that humans have a sizable impact.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change" target="_blank">here</a></p>
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<p>A few years back the American Physical Society actually polled its members (an actual membership vote count) and the majority sided with human activity as a primary issue. The others were divided up into 1) APS should not get involved in taking a stand on a political policy issue, 2) No opinion, 3) Humans are not involved.</p>
<p>The climatological models all very much agree in their predictions. As the models get better, the Human effect just gets worse. The models are checked using historical data to assure they agree/predict the last couple centuries. (they do).</p>
<p>The current trend in modelling is to isolate the effects causing the increase in variability and try to understand those factors. Humans keep becoming an ever greater source of the problems as feedback loops are better understood. The scientists tend to be conservative.</p>
<p>The current Sun cycle is near its peak. It is less than expected and it also started at a later time i.e. the trough was longer than normal. This is good news in the climate group. We need the extra time.</p>
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<p>John</p>
<p><br/>(fixed link pointer)</p> CO2 is the guy robbing the ba…tag:theosophy.net,2013-06-05:3055387:Comment:1261742013-06-05T11:31:24.261ZCapt. Anand Kumarhttps://theosophy.net/profile/CaptAnandKumar
<blockquote><p>CO2 is the guy robbing the bank, water vapor is just the getaway driver.</p>
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<p>Thus concludes a fairly <a href="http://knowledge.allianz.com/environment/climate_change/?626/global-warming-what-role-does-water-vapor-really-play" target="_blank">balanced article.</a> CO2 with its capacity to absorb infra-red radiation actually traps more heat than its small percentage in the atmosphere would suggest. Global warming is a fact whether some scientists or politicians…</p>
<blockquote><p>CO2 is the guy robbing the bank, water vapor is just the getaway driver.</p>
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<p>Thus concludes a fairly <a href="http://knowledge.allianz.com/environment/climate_change/?626/global-warming-what-role-does-water-vapor-really-play" target="_blank">balanced article.</a> CO2 with its capacity to absorb infra-red radiation actually traps more heat than its small percentage in the atmosphere would suggest. Global warming is a fact whether some scientists or politicians agree with it or not. There is no way water vapor from atmosphere could be reduced, as that would lead to even bigger challenges. There is little we can do to manipulate other phenomena affecting global warming like precession of equinoxes or the gravitational push/pull of other astronomical bodies. All that is within our control to do is to deny the robber entry inside the bank. Check CO2.</p>