The Voice of the Silence, Mongolian and English edition - Theosophy.Net2024-03-29T13:01:29Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/the-voice-of-the-silence?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks much, Christian, for g…tag:theosophy.net,2011-04-04:3055387:Comment:441722011-04-04T16:46:32.633ZDavid Reiglehttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidReigle
Thanks much, Christian, for gathering and posting these very interesting paragraphs, pertaining to this mysterious place. It remains a great mystery. I do not think that even in our time the Gobi desert has been fully explored. <br></br><br></br>Regarding the Mongolian translation of The Voice of the Silence, one of the big reasons that the Theosophical Publishing House undertook this publication was to spread the knowledge of this text among Mongolians living today. A possible outcome of this would be…
Thanks much, Christian, for gathering and posting these very interesting paragraphs, pertaining to this mysterious place. It remains a great mystery. I do not think that even in our time the Gobi desert has been fully explored. <br/><br/>Regarding the Mongolian translation of The Voice of the Silence, one of the big reasons that the Theosophical Publishing House undertook this publication was to spread the knowledge of this text among Mongolians living today. A possible outcome of this would be more such material coming to light. This is certainly my hope.<br/><br/>Credit for this potentially very important undertaking goes, above all, to David and Betty Bland. I do not know whose idea it was, when it was first brought up between Doss McDavid, Glenn Mullin, and David and Betty Bland on their Mongolian trip. But without the Blands getting behind it, it would have gone nowhere. <br/><br/>In Mongolia, books are at present the best way to reach the people. The internet is not widely enough available yet. Quest Books does a great service to people everywhere by making their books available inexpensively. For long, they were (and probably still are) subsidized by the Kern Foundation. That means that books on Theosophically related topics can be published that are spiritually valuable but not commercially viable. They do necessarily have to make a profit, and many of them do not. Publishing is expensive. <br/><br/>In the case of the Mongolian translation of the Voice, much of the proceeds go to help with the Roerich project in Mongolia. I am sure that the TPH makes nothing on this book. I am very grateful to the Theosophical Publishing House for making this publication possible, and for all that they have done over the years. Search for this passage in th…tag:theosophy.net,2011-04-01:3055387:Comment:442142011-04-01T04:30:22.803ZChristian von Lahrhttps://theosophy.net/profile/ChristianvonLahr
<p>Search for this passage in the Secret Doctrine, it is in the section on Serpents.</p>
<blockquote><p>remained for ages there, where now stretches the Shamo, or Gobi desert.</p>
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<p>She also claimed that Shankaracharya, the early ninth-century founder of Advaitya Vedanta, “still lives among the Brotherhood of Shamballa, beyond the Himalayas.” Elsewhere, she wrote that when Lemuria sank, part of its people survived in Atlantis, while part of its elect migrated to the…</p>
<p>Search for this passage in the Secret Doctrine, it is in the section on Serpents.</p>
<blockquote><p>remained for ages there, where now stretches the Shamo, or Gobi desert.</p>
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<p>She also claimed that Shankaracharya, the early ninth-century founder of Advaitya Vedanta, “still lives among the Brotherhood of Shamballa, beyond the Himalayas.” Elsewhere, she wrote that when Lemuria sank, part of its people survived in Atlantis, while part of its elect migrated to the sacred island of “Shamballah” in the Gobi Desert</p>
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<p>From ISIS:</p>
<blockquote><p>Tradition says, and the records of the <em>Great Book</em> explain, that long before the days of Ad-am, and his inquisitive wife, He-va, where now are found but salt lakes and desolate barren deserts, there was a vast inland sea, which extended over Middle Asia, north of the proud Himalayan range, and its western prolongation. An island, which for its unparalleled beauty had no rival in the world, was inhabited by the last remnant of the race which preceded ours. This race could live with equal ease in water, air, or fire, for it had an unlimited control over the elements. These were the "Sons of God"; not those who saw the daughters of men, but the real <em>Elohim,</em> though in the Oriental <em>Kabala</em> they have another name. It was they who imparted Nature's most weird secrets to men, and revealed to them the ineffable, and now <em>lost</em> "word."</p>
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<p>From Wikipedia</p>
<blockquote><p>According to Theosophy, once Sanat Kumara arrived here, he directed the construction of the city of Shamballa on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etheric_plane">etheric plane</a> above the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobi_Desert">Gobi Desert</a> to serve as his headquarters.</p>
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<p>From the Theosophical Glossary, and from the Sanskrit Dictionary</p>
<blockquote><p>S’ambhala (sk.). A very mysterious locality on account of its future associations. A touwn or villiage mentioned in the Puranas, whence, it is prophesized, the kalki Avatar will appear. The “Kalki” is Vishnu, the Messiah on the White Horse of the Brahmins; Maitreya Buddha of the Buddhists, Sosiosh of the Parsis, and Jesus of the Christians (See Revelations). All these “messengers” are to appear “before the destruction of the world”, says the one; before the end of Kali Yuga say the others. It is in S’ambhala that the future Messiah will be born. Some Orientalists make modern Muradabad in Rohilkhand (N.W.P.) identical with S’ambhala, while Occultism places it in the Himalyas. It is pronounced Shambhala.</p>
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<p>From Geoffrey A Barborka’s “the Blavatsky Lecture 1970”</p>
<blockquote><p> About the Sons of the Fire-Mist we read in The Secret Doctrine: <br/><br/> In the first or earlier portion of the existence of this Third Race, while <br/> it was yet in its state of purity, the `Sons of Wisdom,' who .... <br/> incarnated in this Third Race, produced by Kriyashakti a progeny called <br/> the `Sons of Ad' or `of the Fire-Mist,' the `Sons of Will and Yoga,' etc. <br/> They were a conscious production, as a portion of the race was already <br/> animated with the divine spark of spiritual, superior intelligence. It was <br/> not a Race, this progeny. It was at first a wondrous Being, called the <br/> `Initiator,' and after him a group of semi-divine and semi-human beings <br/> `Set apart' in Archaic genesis for certain purposes, they are those in <br/> whom are said to have incarnated the highest Dhyanis, `Munis and Rishis <br/> from previous Manvantaras' -- to form the nursery for future human adepts, <br/> on this earth and during the present cycle. These `Sons of Will and Yoga' <br/> born so to speak, in an immaculate way, remained, as it is explained, <br/> entirely apart from the rest of mankind. [Volume I, Page 297, First <br/> Edition; Volume I, Pages 255-6, Adyar Edition;Volume I, Page 228, third <br/> edition] <br/><br/> The secret abiding place of the Sons of the Fire-Mist was an island <br/> situated in a vast inland sea, which extended over Middle Asia north of <br/> the Himalayas. The `Island', according to belief, exists to the present <br/> hour; now, as an oasis surrounded by the dreadful wildernesses of the <br/> great Desert, the Gobi -- whose sands `no foot hath crossed in the memory <br/> of man.'[ II, 220, FirstEdition;Volume III, 224, Adyar Edition; Volume 2, <br/> Pages 230-1, third edition] <br/><br/> While the above account may be traditional, we have the authoritative <br/> statement of Mahatma K.H. about the existence of the Brotherhood in the <br/> nineteenth century, in a letter addressed to the London Lodge of The <br/> Theosophical Society, dated December 7, 1883, from Mysore:</p>
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</blockquote> Where did HPB mention this?tag:theosophy.net,2011-04-01:3055387:Comment:442122011-04-01T02:39:08.459ZNicholas Weekshttps://theosophy.net/profile/NicholasWeeks
Where did HPB mention this?
Where did HPB mention this? I am reminded of Blavatsky’s…tag:theosophy.net,2011-04-01:3055387:Comment:441172011-04-01T00:04:34.925ZChristian von Lahrhttps://theosophy.net/profile/ChristianvonLahr
<p>I am reminded of Blavatsky’s mention of a legendary Higher Mahatma secluded in the vast expanses of Mongolia where the desert condition is uniquely controlled by the height of the Himalayas. I’ve always considered that distinctive character an extraordinary subject to be explored. Any chance there is some mention of said Mahatma, or words of Guidance from him that have been included?</p>
<p>I am reminded of Blavatsky’s mention of a legendary Higher Mahatma secluded in the vast expanses of Mongolia where the desert condition is uniquely controlled by the height of the Himalayas. I’ve always considered that distinctive character an extraordinary subject to be explored. Any chance there is some mention of said Mahatma, or words of Guidance from him that have been included?</p> The Mongolian is on facing pa…tag:theosophy.net,2011-03-31:3055387:Comment:441152011-03-31T22:49:14.040ZDavid Reiglehttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidReigle
The Mongolian is on facing pages with the English. The idea was to help Mongolian speakers learn English, and help English speakers learn Mongolian.
The Mongolian is on facing pages with the English. The idea was to help Mongolian speakers learn English, and help English speakers learn Mongolian. David,
Is the Mongolian on fa…tag:theosophy.net,2011-03-31:3055387:Comment:440132011-03-31T22:42:39.844ZNicholas Weekshttps://theosophy.net/profile/NicholasWeeks
<p>David,</p>
<p>Is the Mongolian on facing pages or in a separate section?</p>
<p>David,</p>
<p>Is the Mongolian on facing pages or in a separate section?</p> It can be ordered from Quest…tag:theosophy.net,2011-03-31:3055387:Comment:441132011-03-31T22:23:57.187ZDavid Reiglehttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidReigle
<p>It can be ordered from Quest Books:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=2345" target="_blank">http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=2345</a></p>
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<p>The English "edition" of this book was originally prepared by me to help the Mongolian translator, Degii Sodbaatar, who is not a native English speaker, translate this book into Mongolian. So I changed all the Biblical English into normal English. I occasionally glossed an unusual English word in brackets, and…</p>
<p>It can be ordered from Quest Books:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=2345" target="_blank">http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=2345</a></p>
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<p>The English "edition" of this book was originally prepared by me to help the Mongolian translator, Degii Sodbaatar, who is not a native English speaker, translate this book into Mongolian. So I changed all the Biblical English into normal English. I occasionally glossed an unusual English word in brackets, and maybe once or twice slightly changed the order of an unusual poetic construction to read more in normal English. Other than that, the English is unchanged from what HPB wrote.</p>
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<p>The sacred language used by Mongolians is Tibetan, since Mongolian Buddhists have normally studied the Buddhist scriptures in Tibetan translation rather than in Mongolian translation. I tried to give the Tibetan term for any technical term found in the Voice, to help the translator determine what was meant. The Sanskrit words in this edition are mostly those given by HPB. I have always given the Tibetan translation of these Sanskrit terms, again to help the translator determine what was meant.</p> Where does one order this?tag:theosophy.net,2011-03-31:3055387:Comment:440112011-03-31T21:33:32.288ZNicholas Weekshttps://theosophy.net/profile/NicholasWeeks
Where does one order this?
Where does one order this?