The Sacred as the locus of misfortune - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T13:30:12Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/the-sacred-as-the-locus-of-misfortune?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks!tag:theosophy.net,2015-06-01:3055387:Comment:1431472015-06-01T19:39:54.220ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p> There's an allegory about Bud…tag:theosophy.net,2015-05-31:3055387:Comment:1430022015-05-31T20:20:19.015ZSpookyDreadhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DanielGill
<p>There's an allegory about Buddha lying to get children out of a burning house. You're not meant to know that enlightenment has to do with ghosts. You're meant to go back to Buddha's enlightenment story afterwards and see the fact that when Buddha was enlightened, what was actually happening? He was communing with the spirit world. </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEksMEE2Eg&t=33m40s" target="_blank">A clip of Buddha's moment of enlightenment from a BBC…</a></p>
<p>There's an allegory about Buddha lying to get children out of a burning house. You're not meant to know that enlightenment has to do with ghosts. You're meant to go back to Buddha's enlightenment story afterwards and see the fact that when Buddha was enlightened, what was actually happening? He was communing with the spirit world. </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEksMEE2Eg&t=33m40s" target="_blank">A clip of Buddha's moment of enlightenment from a BBC documentary</a> , this is his encounter with Mara's legion of demons </p>
<p>Haunting The Buddha by Robert DeCaroli looks at possession as the means of enlightenment in Mahayana buddhism</p>
<p>an obvious film recommendation to do with this is, Nang Nak (1999, Thailand) and Ghost In The Shell . </p>
<div class="page" title="Page 98"><div class="section"><div class="layoutArea"><div class="column"><p><span>The Blessed One said: “Gentlemen, why do you run away?”<br/> They said: “Blessed One, hungry ghosts are coming.”<br/> The Blessed One said: “You must come back! These are your own relatives! If you consent, I could assign the reward in their name.”</span></p>
<p><span>—</span><span>Mulasarvastivada Vinaya </span></p>
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<p></p> "Enlightenment means you've k…tag:theosophy.net,2015-05-27:3055387:Comment:1430962015-05-27T12:52:12.975ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>"Enlightenment means you've killed yourself to hungry ghosts"</p>
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<p>Can you give a reference (primary Buddhist text/sutras) for this? I am not a Buddhist, but it is strange to me. I would like to check a source.</p>
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<p>Also - there are many schools of Buddhism. They can differ on many views.</p>
<p>"Enlightenment means you've killed yourself to hungry ghosts"</p>
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<p>Can you give a reference (primary Buddhist text/sutras) for this? I am not a Buddhist, but it is strange to me. I would like to check a source.</p>
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<p>Also - there are many schools of Buddhism. They can differ on many views.</p> People who have mystical expe…tag:theosophy.net,2015-05-24:3055387:Comment:1431332015-05-24T13:01:22.233ZSpookyDreadhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DanielGill
<p>People who have mystical experiences aren't reincarnated. I thought Buddhism was pretty clear about this. Why? Enlightenment means you've killed yourself to hungry ghosts. When I've tried talking to Buddhists about enlightenment, that it was experienced by Buddha expressed through the story of a communion with Mara's demons in charnel grounds, and they told me I knew nothing about buddhism , and they didn't seem to believe that enlightenment existed. </p>
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<p>Enlightenment is not just…</p>
<p>People who have mystical experiences aren't reincarnated. I thought Buddhism was pretty clear about this. Why? Enlightenment means you've killed yourself to hungry ghosts. When I've tried talking to Buddhists about enlightenment, that it was experienced by Buddha expressed through the story of a communion with Mara's demons in charnel grounds, and they told me I knew nothing about buddhism , and they didn't seem to believe that enlightenment existed. </p>
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<p>Enlightenment is not just a conceptually negative experience, it is a negative experience period. Japanese people after the tsunami were "enlightened", when they got possessed </p>
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<p>the english word "enlightenment" has beatific connotations, and it's often a beatific experience to reconcile with the dead , however the cause of enlightenment is alien, and destructive. that is why it leads to "emptiness", it's therefor NOT fulfilling </p>
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<p>I can't seem to square what that means for someone interested in religion with the predominant view that religion is good for you, because the science says, and the academia says, well technically religion is clearly bad for you. </p>
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<p></p> I forgot to add that Wikipedi…tag:theosophy.net,2015-04-18:3055387:Comment:1421792015-04-18T21:51:09.498ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I forgot to add that Wikipedia has summaries of the Society's Theosophy you can peruse and make up your own mind to see if this fits.</p>
<p>I forgot to add that Wikipedia has summaries of the Society's Theosophy you can peruse and make up your own mind to see if this fits.</p> "My concern is only that Theo…tag:theosophy.net,2015-04-18:3055387:Comment:1419882015-04-18T19:36:54.884ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>"My concern is only that Theosophists might have very specific ideas about spirituality that won't align with mine. "</p>
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<p>The Theosophical Societies have there own systems. We are not limited as they are. The Societies may find your view ok. I am unsure. Some members would definitely disagree with you and some may be ok with it. You can always try :)</p>
<p>"My concern is only that Theosophists might have very specific ideas about spirituality that won't align with mine. "</p>
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<p>The Theosophical Societies have there own systems. We are not limited as they are. The Societies may find your view ok. I am unsure. Some members would definitely disagree with you and some may be ok with it. You can always try :)</p> I can't follow korean shamani…tag:theosophy.net,2015-04-18:3055387:Comment:1419872015-04-18T18:26:24.108ZSpookyDreadhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DanielGill
<p>I can't follow korean shamanism as my personal religion but I do think some of their perspectives are applicable or at least I had found some sincerely expressed mystical experiences.. such as the self-loss offering of ki to hungry ghosts , also in Vietnam or like in that Thai horror movie.. that I think there is some truth to, and I was gratified reading about that because it seems to freak most people out too much and information about that seemed difficult to track down. Dr. Jeffrey J…</p>
<p>I can't follow korean shamanism as my personal religion but I do think some of their perspectives are applicable or at least I had found some sincerely expressed mystical experiences.. such as the self-loss offering of ki to hungry ghosts , also in Vietnam or like in that Thai horror movie.. that I think there is some truth to, and I was gratified reading about that because it seems to freak most people out too much and information about that seemed difficult to track down. Dr. Jeffrey J Kripal also talks about an experience that he had in Calcutta where a deity descended down upon him like a magnet.. anyway.. is what you said generally true about Theosophy in fraternities? <a href="http://www.theosophical.ca" target="_blank">http://www.theosophical.ca</a> . My concern is only that Theosophists might have very specific ideas about spirituality that won't align with mine. </p> Thanks!
BTW - The Korean Sham…tag:theosophy.net,2015-04-18:3055387:Comment:1419862015-04-18T16:37:41.877ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>BTW - The Korean Shamanic tradition is a legit religion so on this site we just treat it as another theosophy and have no issue with it.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>BTW - The Korean Shamanic tradition is a legit religion so on this site we just treat it as another theosophy and have no issue with it.</p> When Marnie Was There Officia…tag:theosophy.net,2015-04-18:3055387:Comment:1419852015-04-18T02:01:29.765ZSpookyDreadhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DanielGill
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZq4uuMP8ss">When Marnie Was There Official US Release Trailer #1 (2015) - Ghibl...</a></p>
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<p>the english trailer has just been released a couple days ago and I'm really excited to finally get to see it. I was blown away that there is a Japanese movie done of a British gothic novel that takes ego death outside of genre and more into the real world, something you'd associate more with Thailand or S.Korea </p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZq4uuMP8ss">When Marnie Was There Official US Release Trailer #1 (2015) - Ghibl...</a></p>
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<p>the english trailer has just been released a couple days ago and I'm really excited to finally get to see it. I was blown away that there is a Japanese movie done of a British gothic novel that takes ego death outside of genre and more into the real world, something you'd associate more with Thailand or S.Korea </p> This is a good overview, a cl…tag:theosophy.net,2015-04-17:3055387:Comment:1422802015-04-17T22:27:27.532ZSpookyDreadhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DanielGill
<p>This is a good overview, a clip from a S.Korean television show, of beliefs and general outlook of Korean shamanism. To be a shaman is not just to die but to get killed, and to marry one will curse you, it's a tradition closely associated with nigh-mares , sleep paralysis.. experiences that create artists and point of view like H R Giger. They believe that a shaman is an ascetic that is low class, because they serve higher powers. Theosophy probably goes against that view, but indigenously…</p>
<p>This is a good overview, a clip from a S.Korean television show, of beliefs and general outlook of Korean shamanism. To be a shaman is not just to die but to get killed, and to marry one will curse you, it's a tradition closely associated with nigh-mares , sleep paralysis.. experiences that create artists and point of view like H R Giger. They believe that a shaman is an ascetic that is low class, because they serve higher powers. Theosophy probably goes against that view, but indigenously in english culture this tends to be the ontology of horror fiction. so i find there to be familiarity in that. </p>
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<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtaxd5ovj0">Bride of the Century Episode 7 [Eng Sub] 백년의 신부</a> </p>