RELIGION & SCIENCE combine to gestate the Esoteric Science - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T16:00:12Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/religion-science-combine-to?feed=yes&xn_auth=noDeb:
People that do not und…tag:theosophy.net,2011-04-06:3055387:Comment:444462011-04-06T19:21:04.270ZWilliam John Meeganhttps://theosophy.net/profile/WilliamJohnMeegan
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<p>People that do not understand Catholicism will rant and rave against it. They fail to understand that Catholicism was the only historian of the past and all of what we know of history is a mythology to preserve the esoteric science. I personally do not believe in the inquisitions and crusades other than mythologies. History really takes one's mind from the study of the sacred scriptures itself. As long as people have something to rave against they do not study the…</p>
<p>Deb:</p>
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<p>People that do not understand Catholicism will rant and rave against it. They fail to understand that Catholicism was the only historian of the past and all of what we know of history is a mythology to preserve the esoteric science. I personally do not believe in the inquisitions and crusades other than mythologies. History really takes one's mind from the study of the sacred scriptures itself. As long as people have something to rave against they do not study the basics because the drama is what they are after. If these ranters and ravers were truly after spirituality these so-called historical/mythological events that seems to concern them would be superfluous and totally without merit for their time and consideration.</p>
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<p>Bill Meegan</p> Wow. Some good points, but I…tag:theosophy.net,2011-04-06:3055387:Comment:444442011-04-06T19:00:38.456ZDebhttps://theosophy.net/profile/Deb
Wow. Some good points, but I'm really put off by the anti-Catholic rant.
Wow. Some good points, but I'm really put off by the anti-Catholic rant. As each religion fails and th…tag:theosophy.net,2011-04-01:3055387:Comment:439152011-04-01T00:40:41.369ZChristian von Lahrhttps://theosophy.net/profile/ChristianvonLahr
<blockquote><p><i>As each religion fails and they all must eventually fail their obligation is to ensure the continuity of the perennial science: esotericism by creating a new religion.</i></p>
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<p>Yes, religions too must have their death and rebirth. I'm reminded of the crucifixion ... Christianity wouldn't likely have worked at all without one. We were left with the Jesus of matter, and the Christ of spirit ... both in us as we are matter and spirit; physical man and…</p>
<blockquote><p><i>As each religion fails and they all must eventually fail their obligation is to ensure the continuity of the perennial science: esotericism by creating a new religion.</i></p>
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<p>Yes, religions too must have their death and rebirth. I'm reminded of the crucifixion ... Christianity wouldn't likely have worked at all without one. We were left with the Jesus of matter, and the Christ of spirit ... both in us as we are matter and spirit; physical man and his spiritual self | The first and second Adam.</p>
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<p>I'm with you on Christianity's historic origin, ... and as you must be, how Christianity more than most religions let the failings of man get in the way with and of interpretation, selectivity, exclusion, revision, ... and not always for Divine purposes. As an expert in Christianity interpretation, your awareness of the layers of metaphor, the mis-translations/and varied translations from language to language, and back, its selective introduction of consciousness with the advent of man in Genesis, and the tight focus on mankind specifically does distinguish it significantly from those other esoteric schools of thought you mention. </p>
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<p>It’s Personal God as Christianity’s contrast to our Higher Self, was indeed novel and has served its end nicely. It’s Vatican as the voice of God, has not, in my opinion … although I can accept it [Vatican] as the representative of [their God] on Earth, or as the Vicker of Christ for their religion, as they also state.</p>
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<p>I am still quite annoyed with the Church of Rome’s dissemination of historical documents to merchants, and the selective burning of other documents in the efforts that preceded the return of their vast Vatican library from the French, which was due to Napoleons’ confiscation of them in an earlier conquest. </p>
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<p>I may be even more exasperated at Christianity’s burning of other religions great works, and even the defacement of master works of archeological achievement, so that ONLY [their Truth] could be known. I am further outraged at what they did in Meso-America, South America, Haiti, Cuba, Florida and the southern parts of America during the Age of Discovery; what Karma will be paid for the loss of entire civilizations? These things so visibly taint the already sanctimonious attitude of that Church, and so very much diminishes any respect one might otherwise give them for their historical draw on the pre-existing esoteric wisdom in the then known world, that as long as record exists Christianity is going to be a hard sell to the philosopher, academic and esoteric initiate. </p>
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<p>That it WAS pre-existing knowledge, however, simply underscores my wariness; that the worlds truly ancient artistic, archeological and literary wisdom is scarfed up and secreted away is indefensible. They are CONTROLLING the wisdom, and who gets it. That it (Vatican) maintains $Trillions in reserves is indicative of the self-serving character, nature and intent of the Holy See. Like governments, and those who rule them, its historical claim to fame seems most notable “power,” power at any cost, and without remorse or apology ̶ and “<i>God help anyone who gets in the way</i>.” I don't know how I've managed to hold so much hope in me for Christianity, ... ha, hard to recognize I'm sure? </p>
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<p>I am also sure your work has been very systematically telling, <u>but do realize</u> that an army of Vatican literary monks has forever worked diligently to ensure precisely the results you have concluded. There will be a time, a sometime, in their undertaking when even that modicum of crumbs which lead you to conclude an association with extant religions of the early years will TOO one day be expunged, and the trail lost for eternity. Both Hansel and Grettle will be Sunday Supper, and the wicked Cardinal or Pope, not sure witch, will once more rule the forests of religion. Ironically, thanks to the emergence of the digital age, and the refrain from the use of and production of printed works, that objective is not so very far off. I suggest, ha, you save a printed copy of your endeavors for your own personal testament, as one day IT MAY BE the only surviving proof of what you say.</p>
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Christianity is ju…tag:theosophy.net,2011-03-30:3055387:Comment:436532011-03-30T23:12:54.107ZWilliam John Meeganhttps://theosophy.net/profile/WilliamJohnMeegan
<p>Christian;</p>
<p>Christianity is just as perennial as all other major religions.</p>
<p>It cannot be otherwise.</p>
<p>As each religion fails and they all must eventually fail their obligation is to ensure the continuity of the perennial science: esotericism by creating a new religion.</p>
<p>Just because Christianity is a the new kid on the block does not mean its teaching esoterically do not hail before the dawn of the time/space continuum.</p>
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<p><cite>Christian von Lahr…</cite></p>
<p>Christian;</p>
<p>Christianity is just as perennial as all other major religions.</p>
<p>It cannot be otherwise.</p>
<p>As each religion fails and they all must eventually fail their obligation is to ensure the continuity of the perennial science: esotericism by creating a new religion.</p>
<p>Just because Christianity is a the new kid on the block does not mean its teaching esoterically do not hail before the dawn of the time/space continuum.</p>
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<p><cite>Christian von Lahr said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://theosnet.ning.com/forum/topics/religion-science-combine-to?xg_source=activity#3055387Comment43572"><div><blockquote><p>It is quite simple when you know the keys to unraveling the texts. The sacred scriptures are written with the express intent of the <b>SEVEN LIBERAL ARTS: Arithmetic, Music/Harmony, Geometry, Astronomy/Astrology, Grammar, Rhetoric and Logic/Dialectics.</b> In other words both the mathematical <b>(Quadrivium)</b> and grammatical arts <b>(Trivium)</b> were combined to bring this union about. The Quadrivium symbolically represents science (unconsciously) and the Trivium expresses symbolically religion (conscious belief). Thus, when one reads the sacred scriptures he is only reading the grammatical storyline used to cloth the mathematical sciences. If, therefore, the reader is unaware of these techniques that were used in writing the text he would have no understanding that there was a profounder way of understanding the true nature of the sacred scriptures’ teachings.</p>
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<p>Since Christianity was not an original philosopy, is this then true of others?</p>
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</blockquote> It is quite simple when you k…tag:theosophy.net,2011-03-30:3055387:Comment:435722011-03-30T21:25:43.760ZChristian von Lahrhttps://theosophy.net/profile/ChristianvonLahr
<blockquote><p>It is quite simple when you know the keys to unraveling the texts. The sacred scriptures are written with the express intent of the <b>SEVEN LIBERAL ARTS: Arithmetic, Music/Harmony, Geometry, Astronomy/Astrology, Grammar, Rhetoric and Logic/Dialectics.</b> In other words both the mathematical <b>(Quadrivium)</b> and grammatical arts <b>(Trivium)</b> were combined to bring this union about. The Quadrivium symbolically represents science (unconsciously) and the Trivium expresses…</p>
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<blockquote><p>It is quite simple when you know the keys to unraveling the texts. The sacred scriptures are written with the express intent of the <b>SEVEN LIBERAL ARTS: Arithmetic, Music/Harmony, Geometry, Astronomy/Astrology, Grammar, Rhetoric and Logic/Dialectics.</b> In other words both the mathematical <b>(Quadrivium)</b> and grammatical arts <b>(Trivium)</b> were combined to bring this union about. The Quadrivium symbolically represents science (unconsciously) and the Trivium expresses symbolically religion (conscious belief). Thus, when one reads the sacred scriptures he is only reading the grammatical storyline used to cloth the mathematical sciences. If, therefore, the reader is unaware of these techniques that were used in writing the text he would have no understanding that there was a profounder way of understanding the true nature of the sacred scriptures’ teachings.</p>
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<p>Since Christianity was not an original philosopy, is this then true of others?</p> Most people do not understand…tag:theosophy.net,2011-03-30:3055387:Comment:437232011-03-30T21:23:59.751ZChristian von Lahrhttps://theosophy.net/profile/ChristianvonLahr
<blockquote><p><i>Most people do not understand the modern dispute that science and religion have with each other. Consider that during the DARK AGES Christianity died out in Europe. Thousands of monasteries were completely wiped out and sacked by the barbarians and few survived to revive Christianity from its second crucifixion: the death of Christ. </i></p>
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<p>And in fairness, most people do not understand the monstrous destruction carried out by the…</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Most people do not understand the modern dispute that science and religion have with each other. Consider that during the DARK AGES Christianity died out in Europe. Thousands of monasteries were completely wiped out and sacked by the barbarians and few survived to revive Christianity from its second crucifixion: the death of Christ. </i></p>
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<p>And in fairness, most people do not understand the monstrous destruction carried out by the Christian Church, either. Loss of life alone was in the millions. Some cultures that have managed to survive to some small extent might be quite justified to qualify the Vatican and the Church of Rome to be ruled by Satan, and not some compassionate God, ... and as the spokespersons for God, what are we to infer from the travesties carried out by the church?</p>
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<p>I don’t know, but could easily see why Blavatsky might have a personal vendetta against the imposition of Christianity, as its acts, deeds and continually modified belief system must surely have been an anathema to the Doctrine she would proffer.</p>