Inside the Middle East’s vanishing ancient religions - Theosophy.Net2024-03-28T14:43:40Zhttps://theosophy.net/forum/topics/inside-the-middle-east-s-vanishing-ancient-religions?commentId=3055387%3AComment%3A139874&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think too few choices is mo…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-25:3055387:Comment:1399562014-11-25T11:15:54.247ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I think too few choices is most stressful.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info! interesting take on the younger generation as well.</p>
<p>I think too few choices is most stressful.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info! interesting take on the younger generation as well.</p> Our young people are our yard…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-25:3055387:Comment:1398782014-11-25T00:40:46.105ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>Our young people are our yardsticks.</p>
<p>If our young people are acting out, it's because we created a society for them to grow up in that encourages it.</p>
<p>What if it doesn't matter which religion you interact with (once you take down the decorations, they are more similar than you might think), only that you get that exposure.</p>
<p>There have been studies that show that more choice leads to more discontent than fewer choices. The theory is, that if you only have a few choices,…</p>
<p>Our young people are our yardsticks.</p>
<p>If our young people are acting out, it's because we created a society for them to grow up in that encourages it.</p>
<p>What if it doesn't matter which religion you interact with (once you take down the decorations, they are more similar than you might think), only that you get that exposure.</p>
<p>There have been studies that show that more choice leads to more discontent than fewer choices. The theory is, that if you only have a few choices, then you know more what to expect from each of them. So when your jeans don't fit just right, it's the manufactures fault, and you become content with your purchase.</p>
<p>If the choices are many, than you begin to expect more. Certainly given all those choices, 1 of them is perfect, and when you don't get perfect, you chose wrong, so it's your fault. Every time you interact with your imperfect choice, discontent grows.</p>
<p>That seems to me to fit what you describe</p> I agree. Theosophy does seem…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-24:3055387:Comment:1399542014-11-24T08:57:16.726ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I agree. Theosophy does seem like a Religion. However, look at how the societies teach it. They are usually the first group who gets associated with the term. It is just hard to believe it is NOT a religion. This site is the first to get back to basics, and really favors no religion over the others (in principle). Neither do we have a Doctrine as required for right thinking.</p>
<p>The social media seems to propagate the idea that ideas can all be fully expressed by one-line statements and…</p>
<p>I agree. Theosophy does seem like a Religion. However, look at how the societies teach it. They are usually the first group who gets associated with the term. It is just hard to believe it is NOT a religion. This site is the first to get back to basics, and really favors no religion over the others (in principle). Neither do we have a Doctrine as required for right thinking.</p>
<p>The social media seems to propagate the idea that ideas can all be fully expressed by one-line statements and quick blurbs with little thought. It is rather destructive in a sense.</p>
<p>People don't like to think -- "it hurts" as Dr. Hoeller (a famous Gnostic) would say.</p>
<p>It is really sad. People do not want to work at understanding something with (or in) "depth".</p> yes, I can basically agree wi…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-24:3055387:Comment:1397932014-11-24T08:44:50.168ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>yes, I can basically agree with that!</p>
<p>yes, I can basically agree with that!</p> Hi,,, what bothers me,in fact…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-24:3055387:Comment:1398742014-11-24T01:48:31.576ZERIC STEWART MCGOUGHhttps://theosophy.net/profile/ERICSTEWARTMCGOUGH
<p>Hi,,, what bothers me,in fact really bothers me,,,is young people are not interested at all,and havant the attitude to even listen or consider anything in a spiritual way,,ask "do you ever consider all the lives we take eating",,,"yer but i like it",, "a bacon sandwitch is the cure for vegiterians" ,, not one thought is spent on considering the question,,theosophy sounds like another load of religion to them,and they are much too lazy to even consider religion these days (id consider this…</p>
<p>Hi,,, what bothers me,in fact really bothers me,,,is young people are not interested at all,and havant the attitude to even listen or consider anything in a spiritual way,,ask "do you ever consider all the lives we take eating",,,"yer but i like it",, "a bacon sandwitch is the cure for vegiterians" ,, not one thought is spent on considering the question,,theosophy sounds like another load of religion to them,and they are much too lazy to even consider religion these days (id consider this 95% of anyone under 40 i know,the other 5% are probably trying not to be rude and sit through it, untill they can get away,,even thinking is dying out, never mind religion , thats what im finding,,stu</p> Ultimately we all agree, we'r…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-23:3055387:Comment:1397902014-11-23T21:50:51.161ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>Ultimately we all agree, we're all looking at the same thing from different perspectives. It's not about which is right or wrong. It is all about discovering how all those perspectives can exist within the whole. The connections, how it all fits together defines what each perspective really is.</p>
<p>Ultimately we all agree, we're all looking at the same thing from different perspectives. It's not about which is right or wrong. It is all about discovering how all those perspectives can exist within the whole. The connections, how it all fits together defines what each perspective really is.</p> hi David! I think we are agre…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-23:3055387:Comment:1399522014-11-23T10:04:04.091ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>hi David! I think we are agreeing. The ancient religions only need 1 person of the "right understanding" to propagate it (like Buddha, Christ etc. did). I hope they get saved. They can be added to the basket of various Truths out there. (I think there are many).</p>
<p>hi David! I think we are agreeing. The ancient religions only need 1 person of the "right understanding" to propagate it (like Buddha, Christ etc. did). I hope they get saved. They can be added to the basket of various Truths out there. (I think there are many).</p> I like Buddhism, very peacefu…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-22:3055387:Comment:1399512014-11-22T19:12:54.788ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
<p>I like Buddhism, very peaceful, very soothing. If I were going to "buy into" a single organized religion, Buddhism would be a strong contender.</p>
<p>I had not heard of "right teaching" before, but the pattern is familiar. Lrts srr what I can come up with.</p>
<p>At first glance it seems to fit the pattern of replication (as in DNA), but I think that is more a familial kind of relationship.</p>
<p>I found a good one</p>
<p>If truth exist, and we are products of this truth. Then the same…</p>
<p>I like Buddhism, very peaceful, very soothing. If I were going to "buy into" a single organized religion, Buddhism would be a strong contender.</p>
<p>I had not heard of "right teaching" before, but the pattern is familiar. Lrts srr what I can come up with.</p>
<p>At first glance it seems to fit the pattern of replication (as in DNA), but I think that is more a familial kind of relationship.</p>
<p>I found a good one</p>
<p>If truth exist, and we are products of this truth. Then the same truth exist within each of us (it does not matter how we decorate that truth for ourselves). If 2 of us were to communicate in the language of tthis truth. Given that this truth would be a singular perspective, then exactly the same kind of "miscommunication" we've been discussing would be avoided.</p>
<p>A very similar concept exist within the Bible. The Bible speaks of seeds and things growing within, I get the impression that this would be the video version to "right teachings" snapshot.</p>
<p>so essentially the same thing</p>
<p>oh, did I mention I agree with the concept of "right teaching", I do however favor the growing application of it (as I find it better represented in everything else).</p>
<p>I think the Bible refers to this when it speaks of the inability of mortal man to look upon the face of god and continue to exist.</p>
<p>If the whole truth were delivered to me at once, I would cease to exist.</p>
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<p>All of this ties into the "language of truth" I referred to earlier. A language, or perception, or even a religion of obviously extreme ancient origin thats in danger of being lost, if not gone already.</p>
<p>I can feel it.</p>
<p>I think the Bible refers to it in the story of the tower of babble, and again when it speaks of moving mountains by command.</p>
<p>If there is one thing i can say that I've learned that would be most important (if there is such a thing) in my search for this truth. Along with every religion I've looked at, you can't find the truth by looking out there (so science is flawed), you have to find it within first. Only then will you have the perspective that will allow you to even begin to recognize it out there.</p>
<p>When we make this connection, we are reborn into a new world. When we finally discover that this physical universe is as malleable as playdo, enlightenment, and the whole game changes.</p> I guess that this is a bit li…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-21:3055387:Comment:1398712014-11-21T19:09:54.281ZJohnhttps://theosophy.net/profile/JohnEMead
<p>I guess that this is a bit like my concept that different cultures have different theosophies. It would be a Lemma in your interpretation.</p>
<p>I think it just follows that religions and cultures are different - not everyone being hindered expressing ideas of spiritual nature correctly/completely (some have the needed intuition). Hence, different religious sects have a different enlightenment.</p>
<p>Also, in Buddhism, there is a concept that "right teaching" can be transmitted between two…</p>
<p>I guess that this is a bit like my concept that different cultures have different theosophies. It would be a Lemma in your interpretation.</p>
<p>I think it just follows that religions and cultures are different - not everyone being hindered expressing ideas of spiritual nature correctly/completely (some have the needed intuition). Hence, different religious sects have a different enlightenment.</p>
<p>Also, in Buddhism, there is a concept that "right teaching" can be transmitted between two Buddhists (a final test for perfection as well). That implies that transmission has been taking place, experimentally, for a couple millennia+.</p>
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<p></p> "Your mechanism makes commun…tag:theosophy.net,2014-11-20:3055387:Comment:1400102014-11-20T21:27:04.251ZDavid Allenhttps://theosophy.net/profile/DavidAllen
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<p>"Your mechanism makes communication seem impossible even between people within the same culture :)"</p>
<p>Correct, thats the idea. except. It not impossible, it is hard work, much more so than most realize (which makes communication even harder).</p>
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<p>"two people can exchange ideas"</p>
<p>This is a misconception, I can't take an idea out of my head and put it in yours. I can describe it, I can draw it, I can do any number of things in an effort to inspire you to see it,…</p>
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<p>"Your mechanism makes communication seem impossible even between people within the same culture :)"</p>
<p>Correct, thats the idea. except. It not impossible, it is hard work, much more so than most realize (which makes communication even harder).</p>
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<p>"two people can exchange ideas"</p>
<p>This is a misconception, I can't take an idea out of my head and put it in yours. I can describe it, I can draw it, I can do any number of things in an effort to inspire you to see it, but ultimately without enough "common" information your not going to get it.</p>
<p>This is important though</p>
<p>if your perception is so foreign to mine that we are unable to communicate effectively, then any idea (that you could not see for yourself) I did put there would have no support and therefore no meaning. This leads to improper understanding and use (corruption)</p>
<p>The same thing happens when we "follow" another without understanding. So I can't take an idea from you either.</p>
<p>All we can do is represent ourselves as accurately as we can. Then everyone can depend on what they see.</p>
<p>Then we could be on about the business of evolving (living), instead of the (not so slow anymore) slow death we're experiencing.</p>
<p>intuition and superstition share the same pattern. (just saying)</p>
<p>and that sucks, I've always considered myself very intuitive.</p>